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Are all k 1.8 k series crank senders the same ?


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I have a random misfire on all 4 cyllinders in the Elise. I also have a fluctuating tick-over. I've replaced the throttle pot, fuel filter, cleaned the injectors, replaced plugs (all the obvious things) but am now forced to consider the crank sender. There are a couple on EBay that I could try if they're suitable ...

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Can't help with the crank sender itself - Have you looked on Eliseparts?

Are you EU2 or EU3 ?

HT leads or coil failing ?

The routing of the Crank sender lead has slso been known to cause misfiring  problems in a 7. 

 

Simon

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I think I've got a spare working one somewhere, Roger, if you want to try it. Crank sensors normally work or they don't. As noted by Simon, there is a webpage somewhere (might have been Angus' or Myles') that described the distributor king lead interfering with the crank sensor signal and causing the misfire, if you run that ignition setup.

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This from the Eliseparts web site

"If this sensor is "suspect" the engine will possibly not start at all, stumble on acceleration, idle will be poor or non existent."

I've experienced the stumbling and idle symptoms so I'm hopeful .....

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I have the on plug coils (2) and misfire on all cylinders. I have difficulty thinking that both coils went down at the same time ... ?

I could be wrong though, Im still finding my way with the K series (a VX man of long standing *wink* )

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On my caterham my fuel pump failed. It was failing and the only symptom initially was that the car would feel like it misfired. First time it did it was on track and the thump it gave was horrible (and stopped the day for me). Driving home it did it a few times at random. I was tracing it for about three months when finally it truly failed and the car wouldn't start. Replaced the pump and all was then fixed. 

 

I too tried TPS, coilpacks leads etc. Fuel pressure was fine but then the pump would skip a beat and that was what caused the apparent misfire. 

Best wishes

 

Kevin

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Unlikely to be the head gasket I think. On the earlier K's, the gasket goes normally because the line of rubber seals breaks down (my Monza problem occurred on a non-standard gasket). A test pressurising the water should show that up. As you say, it is hard to imagine it causing all 4 cylinders to misfire.

Can you swap the sender with Martin's to see if that is the problem? What is the battery voltage like? The symptoms could be explained by voltage drops. I had something similar when I had a duff battery at the same time as (possibly caused by) a failed alternator 

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John

P00300 Random misfire

P00301,2,3,4 misfire detected on cylinders 1,2,3,4

P1301 Misfire detected causing emissions increase

The misfires were pretty severe during a trip back from Portugal but they have decreased and are now only just discernable. This led me to fuel supply but all that has been cleaned

Keith. Replacement sender arrived yesterday which I'll fit  when/if the weather improves. Battery fully charged. The cooling system holds pressure for hours .....

Oliver thanks for that suggestion ....

I'm still trying to familiarise myself with my OBD Link real time code reader. That should help narrow the field down a bit

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Hmmm...so the codes just tell you what you already know!  Useful.

Out of interest, is there any logging software available that would hook into your OBD Link (similar to Easimap for MBE ECUs)?  If so, I imagine a laptop logging session while out on the road would help.

JV


 

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Yes, OBDlink has an Iphone app that logs any number of engine parameters to a .CSV file for viewing. It can also log to a laptop based programme, OBD whiz, which has similar possibilities to the easimap programme. Like your experience with easimap though, it takes a little understanding at first

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For future reference:

Problem now fixed. I replaced the crank sender, still the same. I then replaced the pre cat lambda sender and voila ! problem solved. No missfire and steady tickover

I must have had an intermittent fault with the lambda sender because I got missfire error codes and no lambda error code. The lambda finally failed and posted an error code which is why I replaced it.

 

*clap*

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