The begining of the end of the traditional internal combustion engine???

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The biggest issue for me is still cost. 

My daily driver is a highly specced 530d. IMO the only vaguely comparable EV is the Tesla S but to get one which is even close in features the cost seems to be almost double that of the BMW.

I had the opportunity to try a P100D Model S a few weeks ago. Very impressive, other than the range, but the price was over £150,000. I don't expect to see many if them about!

Given the lack of complication mentioned earlier, I find it hard to understand why EVs cost so much. Hopefully when the traditional manufacturers start to build bigger, long range EVs that will change.

 

 

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Given that a black cab is a good size, the design should easily be able to have sufficient storage to match small vehicles such as the Zoe or Leaf.  After all when the cab is stationary, no fuel is consumed.

I still haven't found the current mileage for London cabs nor whether they work for longer than individual drivers. 

The stop-start driving is always going to use a lot of energy but battery vehicles have at least three advantages over ic in that mode:

  1. Regenerative braking.
  2. No consumption at tickover, as you say. Queues of cabs outside eg stations are also going to be a lot quieter and a lot cleaner.
  3. Lower drivetrain inertia.

And the cabby gets cold in winter

There's a lot of experience with Teslas in the USA and Norway. This seems to be manageable. (BTW apart from the stress and lack of exercise the biggest health problem for drivers of London cabs is backache. It often ends their careers.)

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The biggest issue for me is still cost. 

Me too. But I'd buy a Tesla seven seater at the rumoured price of a Model 3. 

My daily driver is a highly specced 530d. IMO the only vaguely comparable EV is the Tesla S but to get one which is even close in features the cost seems to be almost double that of the BMW.

Is that for capital cost? Have you done the sums for total lifetime cost, or cost per year or per kilometre?

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Hopefully when the traditional manufacturers start to build bigger, long range EVs that will change.

The cost will come down. But whether traditional manufacturers or their business model will even survive is unknowable. Growth of something that isn't personal ownership of individual cars seems very likely. The current credit arrangements may implode.

But Tesla as a company will be studied in business schools for a long time. 

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One change which may be likely to happen is fewer black cabs cruising, looking for a hail. I wonder if we may see a situation developing where there are lots of taxi ranks, with cabs stationary.

One might even hail them by phone or an app ;-/

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Interesting, isn't it? The threat looked as if it was going to be satellite navigation making the Knowledge obsolete and thereby unlocking the specific Metropolitan regulatory framework. Then there was the Mayoral campaign warning against "minicabs". And then out of nowhere came Uber.

Do any of the Uberish services allow the customer to ask for a battery-powered vehicle? 

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New London taxi:

  • Engine is a Volvo 1.5 L three cylinder turbocharged petrol range-extender. Made in China and will be used in XC40.
  • Batteries are 33 kWh. Siemens motor. Both are/ will be used in Volvos.
  • Dash and lots of other bits are existing Volvo parts. Seat is from S90, see above.
  • Six passenger seats rather than 5.

I wonder if that's the end of the Lotus range-extender engine.

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I've looked at the whole cost. I could buy what I've got now, new, run it for 4/5 years and throw it away for less cost than the depreciation on a longer range Tesla S. The capital outlay wouldn't bother me if the overall cost was competitive.

Given that most of my mileage is out of town, with a good number of runs that would well exceed the range of a Tesla without a lengthy stop, it doesn't work for me. 

I could maybe put up with the range but I'm not prepared to pay the extra cost yet. I can't see how the masses will be able to either. 

As you say, a 7 seater, or for me a large, well equipped saloon for the rumoured price of the 3 would be tempting. I can't say I've been impressed by the 3 though and we still don't know what it's going to cost for sure, do we?

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Well, for me a range of about 200 miles will do. After 3 hours driving I'm happy to stop, recharging car and body at one and the same time.

A Zoe is under consideration, I'll try and test drive one in August. For me big, heavy and hugely powerful cars are not within desirability nor wallet. No need to impress, I have the Seven and 21 to do that.

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