The begining of the end of the traditional internal combustion engine???

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The car was developed for the Pikes Peak climb, which is twelve miles long. It gains a lot of time over ICE cars on the climb because it doesn't suffer from reduced air pressure at altitude.

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Thanks for the links Jonathan, interesting.

I didn't realize the ID-R had been around for almost 2 years.

One of the links took me on to the GVT OX. Another interesting vehicle that I didn't know about. Must pay attention. Surely a better replacement for the old JLR Defender than the maker's one?

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Surely a better replacement for the old JLR Defender than the maker's one?

That wouldn't be hard!

I suspect that there's quite a large niche for original Defenders converted to batteries. JLR made a few themselves.

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The trouble with claims for stuff like the ID R is that because it never competes against anything except at PIke Peak claims can be made without much risk of challenge. Sure , it beat a McLaren F1 car's longstanding record from Goodwood 's early days- but so would most of the top runners in the British  Hillclimb championship . 

The IDR has 680 bhp and weighs  1100kg - even a porky 2020 F1 car weighs over 300kg less and develops at least 250 bhp more ... Hmmm impressive , of course , but a reality check may be in order.

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I don't see its development as having anything to do with claims of superiority in competition. Projects like this act to test technology, motivate teams within the company and change public perception. Pikes Peak was a very convenient showcase because it's short and has that low air density at the top. 

The idea (!) is around that one of the reasons that VW did this is to counter the internal gloom after the emissions scandal. But the whole concept of the I.D. range is very different from the incremental approach of many other manufacturers. "Betting the company" might not be an exaggeration. The bit I don't understand is the corporate emissions target... any experts or links to good explanations?

But of course it's inevitable that journalists will put them back to back, take them to the 'Ring etc. And it can be entertaining. The comparisons that do amaze me are production Teslas against very fast ICE road cars, for example this week's Model 3 Performance against a Portofino.

The IDR has 680 bhp and weighs  1100kg - even a porky 2020 F1 car weighs over 300kg less and develops at least 250 bhp more ...

That energy storage density problem won't go away. But it can be managed. And the test of that has to be in production road cars. But those power figures show how our traditional way of describing prime movers isn't fit for purpose. EVs happen to have more useful power delivery characteristics that what we've grown up with... see that comment above about utility vans off the line! And one beneficial side-effect will be an end to the current widespread misunderstanding of torque and power.

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National Express Group announcement today:

  • We will not buy another diesel bus for our UK operations;
  • We will lead the transition to zero emission coaches, with a target for the first electric coaches to be in service next year;
  • An ambition that our UK bus and UK coach fleets will be fully zero emission from 2030 and 2035 respectively;
  • Environmental targets will make up 25% of senior executive Long Term Incentive Plans.

What does the first one mean? 

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Note that one of Integral Poweetrain's directors is Roger Duckworth. He may have had a famous father. 

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He may have had a famous father. 

Well you'll know all about that Biggrin

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I am not really impressed by that.  Not so much technology to stuff a big battery into a race car. Certainly noy hi tech with a 12 mile range.   At some point the tech becomes how to put the power and torque on to the road.