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david nelson
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Club transparency

Following Ian Buce's post about low flying its got me thinking.

this highlighted (for no apparent benefit to the thread) that the editor of low flying gets paid for this job.  Yes this is a job and has been paid for at least 20 yrs. 

This got me thinking that it would  be interested to know  total amount that each director/mt member and AR claims in any given year. These are no paid roles. 

I would also like to know what the  club is doing for our green footprint? We are never going to be carbon neutral but we have a duty of care to the planet. An article in low flying on  what the team has done in the last 3 years and what plans it has for the next 3 years.  

Just a few ideas on letting the members know who does what,  the cost to the club and that what steps have been made to reduce the clubs carbon footprint.

David 

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David,

not sure if what you are asking for would give you anything meaningful, if you looked at my expenses over the last 3 years it shows several thousand a year. Not pay and very little mileage but reimbursable expenses from the championship & Curborough events. 

Chris.

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David,

I think there are a lot of useful observations / suggestions from members to come out of the recent turmoil. Hopefully the AR working group / new directors will undertake a review  to capture the positives. I've suggested a members survey might be a useful tool to garner opinion on a range of topics.

E.g. Something several people spotted is the Drupal functionality to restrict a thread to members only, rather than being public. It would be good if the original poster could make this choice, if it is a private matter to discuss, rather than moderators needing to step in.

I have found your posts eminently sensible and objective, and ones for the AR team to seek out and digest.

Regards

Ian

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I was on MT 2011- 2017 . I didn't claim anything for my first few meetings , despite the 450 mile round trip and overnight B and B . After retiring later the next year I claimed miles and B and B as I wasn't going to subsidise the club from my pension .

I think the majority claimed nothing at all - and  most members lived much closer to typical meeting venues than me  . But I'd have had not the slightest objection to them having done so  as getting free membership doesn't really begin to cover the many . many conversations between meetings., ad hoc meetings more locally and the sheer embuggerance it can involve.

I have written about 80 Low Flying pieces, and have claimed mileage for two - both being interviews the club had specifically asked me to do  . All the rest- which involved things from a  long overseas telephone call to a 500 mile round trip to Dartford were paid out of my own pocket. As they should be - it is a magazine which relies on voluntary contributions.

Michael gets a monthly fee for Low Flying , having won an open tender for the commission. I doubt it covers even half  his time . When I see the badly written and dreadfully designed crap some other much bigger clubs produce I am reminded that  we should be bloody proud of what we've got

The ESV custodian gets a (well deserved ) honorarium .and that is about it for 'internal;' contractors    

External contractors are paid . of course - Pink Angels , Paul Sander and insurance/IT fees  etc etc

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I am sure all is fine, but it was the way Ian highlighted that the editor of low flying got paid. Thought it was provocative. It got me thinking about other areas and I guess most member do not take expenses. This has been the normal situation, however Ian's continues to make me question activities of the club. I get an undertone that I just can not put my finger on. I guess if these provocative posts were not put on blatchat, I would stop looking too deeply at what what the undertone is all about David

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But it shouldn't be a revelation as it has always been made clear (in adverts for the role in LF etc ) that this role, among others, attracts  some  remuneration .

You make a good point though - when I was on ,MT my kneejerk response to post likeyours would always be to say glibly - ' come along to an MT meeting , you will be very welcome and you can get a much closer insight into how things work '. Hardly anybody did of course - but that isn't a criticism  I stress - and the few who did and sat through a long agenda about ESV MoT issues, banking  arrangements and regalia purchase strategy probably wished they hadn't ! Because  the regular business of running  any club might be important, but is rarely  very interesting unless you are involved yourself. 

What is key is that without full openness and transparency, there can be a risk of suspicion and speculation . It doesn't  matter if it's unfounded , it is the fact it happensat all  is the concern  . Maybe any new MT should reflect on how any such concerns can be pre-empted more effectively ? I don't want to return to having the full text of an SLA published in  LF (that was a cure for insomnia ..) but perhaps a greater frequency of briefing for those who feel they need it ? 

Food for thought    

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Yes me too. Some sort of undertone I have no idea about and keeping things out of sight never really solves anything. Likewise this public internet forum is not the right place, but currently is the only place for members. I think, or is that hope, we will create a private place, maybe even two, an unmoderated bar room and a proper and open discussion space. Not sure how the bar room idea works (enter at your own risk) in the context of modern law. 

The bar room idea  I have borrowed from Christine.

Expenses etc I have no problem at all with any of that, equally it being transparent would be the modern way. Xero seems to offer support in this and other transparency contexts; coincidentally I was exploring it last night for light relief.

anthony

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I believe there is an Elephant In The Room when it comes to Carbon Footprint.

 

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98 Octane?

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Are Yes but could any letters the club print be on eco freindly paper? The NHS have started doing this. The plastic bag on low flying is anything else avalable? look at if memebrs what to opt out of paper and go electronic only. The PDF (yes I know) low flying for those who do not want paper copies. 

I know its not a big thing but its a thought.

David 

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David, it is something which has been discussed previously on the MT

One of the big changes recently is since moving to LoveAdmin the reduction in what is printed and posted in normal day to day business. Removing the need to print and post out over 4000 membership cards & renewal letters, reminder letters, event entry forms etc etc.

 

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