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Actually I think some of the modelers are coming out of this rather well.

Remember that the original scary numbers were based on no change to behaviour, lockdown alone is a massive change to our behaviour. The "herd immunity" anti lockdown argument relies on a far higher number of people having been exposed to the virus than is now looking to be the case. 

Mistakes were always going to be made, it is a shame that the government seems incapable of being honest with the people that mistakes have been made. They also got some stuff right, but trust is lost when there is no honesty.

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Stephen...you are a fountain of knowledge but how do you ACTUALLY know what other nations are doing re testing. If our politicians are not being truthful, why do you expect others to be. Or are you just 'firing for effect'?

I would never describe myself thus: I just read too much of the news.  If I find an article interesting or challenging, I try to put a comment alongside the link - I think members deserve to know why I have put in the link (a pet hate is a link offered without explanation of why it is there, the poster's opinion matters).

I trust some sources more than others and have read a lot about when other nations started testing, how many/what percentage of their population have been tested.  To me it is perfectly clear that the decisions and the timing of the decisions taken elsewhere have been markedly superior to those taken in Downing Street.

"Firing for effect" - well, I think the debate is worth having.  We all get decisions wrong at different times, so I have some (note some not a lot) of acceptance but I have virtually no tolerance of the lies being told to us and to Parliament, by government ministers.  In this specific example, it was blindingly obvious to me and others, that the target set was missed and missed by a clear and substantial margin.  We even know some of the reasons for it being missed.

Stephen

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A simple link from a source someone trusts will be far more effective than any any amount of commentary I can make.

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Mistakes were always going to be made, it is a shame that the government seems incapable of being honest with the people that mistakes have been made.

Quite so, and any rational person is likely to come to that conclusion.

I'm still waiting for an interviewer to say, when deluged by a minister's self-congratulatory waffle and lack of briefing (a good example was Brandan Lewis on Today this morning):

"Ah, so everything is perfect, we have no worries, and no mistakes have been made.  Is that what you're telling me?"  

"Not at all.  You have to realise that we've been faced with unprecedented challenges."

"So, perhaps you'd like to run through a few examples of where things did go wrong?"

 

Not so long ago, the Govt boycotted the Today program, ostensibly because of its unfriendly Brexit stance.  Maybe the time has come for Today to boycott the Govt until they put up ministers for interview who are well-briefed, accept that mistakes have been made, and won't waffle.

JV

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It is over eight weeks since the last Cabinet minister appeared on Newsnight.

If Corbyn had won the Election can you imagine the outcry if he was only prepared to be interviewed by what he considered to be friendly media.

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"It is over eight weeks since the last Cabinet minister appeared on Newsnight."

That may be the case but the Health secretary had to field difficult questions in the briefing yesterday. Including an ex-footballer asking why he can't go and kick a ball about.

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an ex-footballer asking why he can't go and kick a ball about.

As I understand the detail, the former football player is a coach to a kids' team and has his physical distancing plans organised.

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Yes it was GJT, but I think there are more pressing questions to ask.
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True.

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Worth remembering that we did not have a lockdown because it was the right thing to do politically.

The coronavirus does not follow politics, only the science matters.