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"and anyone else I have contact with"

Is there information on transmission? Obviously there is protection from the viral infection for those who are immunised but it may be possible to transmit to others.

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according to govt website, I'd be in priority 6 - but happy to wait my turn

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You a coward Roger ,,waiting to see what happens ,,I'm in the queue behind you ,,if a good pint of Newcastle brown won't work then nothing will

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I will happily accept it, whichever one it is, and I believe we all have a duty to accept it.

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I think vaccination is the socially responsible thing to, especially to protect those who are not able to have it due to medical complications (if like the flu vaccination there are preservatives used that could trigger Guillain Barre Syndrome in some people, for example). I'm all for businesses such as concert venues, restaurants, cruise ships, airlines, etc enforcing "no Covid vaccination or medical exemption, no entry" if they want to, once a vaccine has been made available to anyone who wants it.

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Wow some civil liberties questions right there.  

The maker of the vaccine was interviewed on newsnight tonight, and I quote "people who have the vaccine have no symptoms, it does not mean they don't have the virus and does not mean they can't pass it on".   What he did say was, this was still subject to further clinical trials. 

Therefore at the moment its about protecting the vaccinated from the effects.

Imposing such measures would be pointless in restaurants, concert venues etc.  Let alone having some sort of ID card that could prove your vacation status.  

 

   

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Not really a civil liberties issue if businesses are not forced to do it, but make it a feature. No different than a Go-Kart track requiring a drivers licence to drive their karts or dress code to enter a restaurant or theatre. As long as everyone can get a vaccination with no discrimination (with the aforementioned waiver for verified medical issues). The key is even if the vaccination is not foolproof, it still provides a safer gathering of people and control of the disease spread compared with a crowd that isn't vaccinated.

We may also see requirements to have vaccinations to get travel insurance and enter a country you aren't a citizen of, so the un-vaccinated will potentially not be able to travel outside their own country anyway. In terms of businesses, they may have insurance, funding and liability issues if they become a hot spot of infection and have to close down due to staff illness, so risk mitigation would be to have staff and customers vaccination verified.

I'm not sure how airlines handled mandatory masks in the UK, but here in Canada both WestJet and Air Canada brought in mandatory mask rules on the aircraft before the government mandated it, no mask no travel. Wasn't an issue from a civil rights perspective, as it didn't discriminate against anyone.

The logistics of the implementation need to be worked out by most countries, but IATA is working out a worldwide standard at the moment for airlines. The info could also be linked to the RFID info in passports, driver's licences and electronically certified and held within smartphones. Technology isn't an issue, but I'm sure we will see lots of fragmented implementations to begin with.

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So thankfully there are no ID cards in the UK, and no need to carry driving license or passport either.  I believe there is a massively different in checking competency to hire a car, or complying with a dress code in a night club, to checking someone medical records and life choices to eat in a restaurant. 

Living in a post Covid 19 world and making the choice not to be vaccinated knowing the risks, and the potential outcome should still be a choice.    

 

 

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There are no mandatory ID cards in Canada either or need to carry ID, but if you can't prove your age when you are younger with a drivers licence or passport, you won't get into clubs or be able to purchase anything in bars. Also, older people won't get the seniors discount if they can't prove their age with ID, so in practice not carry ID is only detrimental to many people.

The scientific balance of opinion is that not vaccinating to deal with public health issues is significantly more dangerous than any identified risks, so a choice to not vaccinate is inherently more risky. Although Jonathan is the resident expert on providing all the peer reviewed literature on that point. Some CDC info on vaccination risk and although it is there, the diseases vaccinated against are much worse: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/

I'm sure that there will be more flexibility in many countries on what Covid vaccinated people will be able to do over the next couple of years. This is nothing new, some states in the US have mandatory immunization for school and daycare attendees and healthcare workers: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/laws/state-reqs.html and the UK had been considering mandatory immunization for school children before the coronavirus pandemic: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/sep/29/government-seriously-considering-compulsory-vaccinations-matt-hancock

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I hope no one thinks there will be a Covid-19-free world.

Not being affected is not the same as not being infected.

Only two viruses have been eliminated in the wild, rinderpest & smallpox. The massive efforts to elimiate polio have made a huge difference but there are a few areas where it is still a threat.

Stephen

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