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"The COVID vaccine is not quite the same scenario but Veterans of the 1991 Gulf War are getting a bit twitchy with the thought of accepting it.

In 1990-1991 the acceptance of protective vaccines was rushed, ill thought out & confusing. Some were barely tried, tested or indeed certified which lead to many surviving Veterans to this day suffering from numerous illnesses. "

In the early/mid 2000s there was an attempt to get all deployable personnel injected with an 'anti nerve agent' vaccine.  I remember it seemed very dubious at the time and a bit of research suggested it wasn't effective against the nerve agents we were likely to be exposed to.  I was surprised at the time as it appeared we hadn't learnt. 

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"What I find more fascinating is why certain people seem to be so susceptible to and willing to believe in some of the barmiest conspiracy theories. In spite of weighty scientific. empirical, common sense evidence to the contrary, they subscribe to and vociferously canvass these utterly baseless, not to mention dangerous theories."

Any big story brings the loonies out.  The tinfoil hattists start shouting, presumably because they've got nothing genuine to be concerned about so they decide to invent problems.  Then of course you have the borderline fascists who are desperate for the introduction of rules, requirements and insist on others being forced to 'comply' with whatever they believe to be the correct course of action.  Luckily most people sit somewhere in the middle but the loonies are so good at making noise.

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injected with an 'anti nerve agent' vaccine

Gary, I think you have hit the nail on the head here as to the cause of those issues encountered (not that it was a vaccine).  I suspect there was a compounding complication that the inoculations were given without sufficient interval.

Inoculations:- a carefully chosen word because there has been inadequate openness as to what all the injections were or were for.

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That probably is the more correct term.  I remember the term 'vaccination' being used at the time but that of course doesn't mean it was being correctly used.  It's not a subject that I'm knowledgeable about though so would be unlikely to notice if both terms were used.  I know bullshit when I see it though and the vague, slopey shouldered wording in the paperwork certainly had the smell.

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I know bullshit when I see it though and the vague, slopey shouldered wording in the paperwork certainly had the smell.

I'm sure you are right there.

Stephen

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Once a POU receives a thermal shipper with our vaccine, they have three options for storage:

- Ultra-low-temperature freezers, which are commercially available and can extend shelf life for up to six months.
- The Pfizer thermal shippers, in which doses will arrive, that can be used as temporary storage units by refilling with dry ice every five days for up to 30 days of storage.
- Refrigeration units that are commonly available in hospitals. The vaccine can be stored for five days at refrigerated 2-8°C conditions.

After storage for up to 30 days in the Pfizer thermal shipper, vaccination centers can transfer the vials to 2-8°C storage conditions for an additional five days, for a total of up to 35 days. Once thawed and stored under 2-8°C conditions, the vials cannot be re-frozen or stored under frozen conditions.

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I developed Covid-19 on 26 February, suffered with it for more than 3 weeks and am even now still suffering from the after-effects. I have suffered nigh on all of the symptoms now conveniently collected under the name of long Covid and I will be clamouring to have the vaccine as soon as my turn comes around as a 52-year old.

​I may well be covered by my existing antibodies that i will have developed post-Covid, depends on the scientists' latest feelings on the matter but, even on the tiny chance that i may catch the virus again then, 100% I want the vaccine.

I wish this after-effect of Covid that affects so many people was flagged more in the media to hopefully come to the attention of the bizarre group of people who think of this current blight as a 'plandemic' and say that it's a nasty cold for most people, if that.

I feel 82 not 52. I have brain fog, occasional tremors and palpitations, constant fatigue, lack of concentration, breathlessness, no ability to use exercise to get better... it's horrible and it has all started since 26 February.

Giles Hudson

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If any of you have daughters or grand daughters of child bearing age and are happy for them to have this vaccine, then you need to have a very serious discussion with yourselves.

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The discussion should start with advice to listen to well known qualified experts who know about vaccines rather than people you see writing stuff on car forums.

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#59 - Why? What can you present to support your dramatic warning?