Friday Argument - Should we ditch the monarchy and become a republic

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Derek you've confused me.  Harry and Meghan are leaving the monarchy and not getting public funding (they don't need it after all) and you think she's 'screwed up the monarchy' but you think 'a lot of it needs dumping ,and also the royal family needs slimming down'  so it would seem you dislike their decision despite it helping your wish. Perhaps you should make your mind up or alternatively become a royal journalist Rofl

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Hello there bill I confuse you ,,,,,I confuse myself at times , if there not getting public funding whose paying for there protection ( by the way I think the tax payer should pay that doesn’t bother me ) as for not needing the money they both are worth millions but they are both young and still poss do something ,,as long as they don’t say good bye royal duties whatever , hello mr publicity ,we can make a fortune using royal connections which I don’t agree with ,, if there doing six months so called royal work and are paid by queen or gov then ok , just don’t milk the royal connection ,as for slimming down royal family , get rid of Andrew wife and the two daughters to me they are just milking the system and are a joke , I used to like Harry but think Megan twisted his mind ,not a fan of hers ,

hope that clarity’s  a bit more , mind you the way I put things I doubt it 

enjoy the lovely weather 

derek

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"The Guardian (seemingly the newspaper of choice here on Blatchat)"

Based on the amount of noise generated that would be a reasonable (but probably incorrect) assumption. Don't bother with a survey on newspaper readership - my response will be NOYFB. 

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That’s why I cannot spell I read the wrong paper 

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Hi Peteplug,

Thanks very much for your compliments, I will be holding some classes on critical thinking, which you will be welcome to join.

I  will always respect the fact that others have differences in opinion even if they don't think critically and make stupid decisions based on "alternative facts". Of course everyone should have an equal vote in a democratic society, otherwise how could the majority justify in the future complaining about the mess they voted for?

James

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Hi Jonathan,

Fair points. My own priorities / wish list would be:

  1. Establishing a system of proportional representation (not AV) for all public elections. For parliamentary elections, my preference would be multi-member constituencies using the single transferable vote. The Jenkins' commission AV+ proposal (produced under the Blair government) also has merit.
  2. Moving to an identifiable enforceable constitution (your 1st priority) - if you mean a written constitution, backed by an independent judiciary, then yes, this would be high on my priority list too.
  3. Reducing the powers of Ministers including the Prime Minister, and increasing scrutiny of their appointment and performance (your 2nd priority) - I believe in devolving power to the most local democratic unit that makes sense [that in itself is a long discussion!]. However, under the last 3 shades of government (Labour, coalition and Conservative) the direction of travel has been the opposite. Effective scrutiny is essential at all levels of government.
  4. Removing an unelected legislating chamber including its theocratic components (your 3rd priority). Being picky, the current Lords set up is a revising chamber, not a legislative one. But I know what you mean. I think a second chamber is an important constitutional check and balance (especially under FPTP, but also under PR too). My ideal would be to see a combination (majority) of elected and non-elected "experts" to counterbalance the "careerist politician" tendency that a fully elected chamber would entail. (i.e. not the current hereditary peers and CofE bishops or ex-MP life peers).
  5. No more referendums. On anything. We're a parliamentary democracy (or we should be). Our elected representatives should be making these decisions and being held accountable for them.

As to whether or not this programme would be easier with or without a hereditary monarchy - I suspect it would make absolutely no practical difference at all. The way the palace managed the illegal proroguation of parliament last year demonstrates the monarchy is already politically toothless. I'm quite happy to have a ceremonial hereditary monarchy though - very much preferable to an elected head of state imho.       

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Thanks, Tim.

I'll need some time to think through those.

But on:

The way the palace managed the illegal proroguation of parliament last year demonstrates the monarchy is already politically toothless.

I totally agree. And it's that sort of failure that makes me think that we need proper constitutional protection that has some pretty big teeth. And that it's the existence of the monarchy that stands in the way of that change.

Jonathan

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The free press is supposed to do a lot of the work making politicians pay a price for bad decisions.

That seems to have gone as an option, instead they are spending time on creating and cashing in on Royal dramas.

The Monarchy is just a distraction at the moment.

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"The way the palace managed the illegal proroguation of parliament last year demonstrates the monarchy is already politically toothless."

Severing Boris' head would have delighted the Corbynistas but the monarch has been politically toothless since the Glorious Revolution of 1688. 

I seem to recall that the judiciary overturned the illegal prorogation of Parliament. I can't comment on the size of her teeth but Baroness Hale of Richmond's brooch packed a mighty constitutional punch.  

Derek - the Grauniad is (or used to be) renowned for its misprints (spelling mistakes in plain English). Is that the wrong paper you're referring to? Rofl          

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Possibly opplock I like the beano , with photos 

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