198 posts / 0 new
Last post
HendrixsWhiteSt...
HendrixsWhiteStratReturns's picture
Offline
Last seen: 1 week 3 days ago
Joined: 14/04/2016

David Cameron's train set ...oh dearie me

'scuse me while I kiss the sky

Golf Juliet Tango
Online
Last seen: 5 min 51 sec ago
Joined: 17/04/2014

PS: I'm strongly in favour of lots of high speed rail in the UK. But it won't deliver the available benefits without an integrated transport policy.

I distrust HS2 because the justification changed from ones about speed to ones about system capacity. 

The disadvantage of high speed rail is that it concentrates economic activity at fewer points because for the time-saving to be useful, fewer stops can be accommodated.  Also, stopping trains costs money (or it certainly does on the present LT system).

Furthermore, as Alistair Darling points out, you used not to be able to work on trains, while lots of people do nowadays work whilst the journey is taking place. 

 

Stephen

Democratic dissent is not disloyalty, it is a positive civic duty

Sumo
Sumo's picture
Offline
Last seen: 10 hours 37 min ago
Joined: 17/04/2014

In my experience many of those "working" on trains do not buy a first class ticket but occupy 2 seats in standard class, then huff and puff when challenged. Meantime, others with season tickets stand for 60-70 miles to London. HS2 like Crossrail is a gigantic money pit. Even if constructed to budget (NOT!) it wiil be badly run. 

The priority must be the West-East links further north. I fundamentally disagree with Boris on Brexit, but on HS2 and LHR Runway 3 he does talk some sense.

Philip Ambrose member no. 5869 since 2002 location Cotswolds

Jonathan Kay
Jonathan Kay's picture
Online
Last seen: 1 min 52 sec ago
Joined: 17/04/2014

Ministerial statement, includes:

"Colleagues will see that the Chairman of HS2 does not believe that the current scheme design can be delivered within the budget of £55.7 billion, set in 2015 prices. Instead he estimates that the current scheme requires a total budget - including contingency - in the range of £72 to £78 billion, again in 2015 prices.

Regarding schedule, the Chairman does not believe the current schedule of 2026 for initial services on Phase One is realistic. In line with lessons from other major transport infrastructure projects, his advice proposes a range of dates for the start of service. He recommends 2028 to 2031 for Phase One - with a staged opening, starting with initial services between London Old Oak Common and Birmingham Curzon Street, followed by services to and from London Euston later. He expects Phase 2b, the full high-speed line to Manchester and Leeds, to open between 2035 and 2040.

He has also suggested that Phase 2a, West Midlands to Crewe, could be delivered to the same timetable as Phase 1, subject to Parliamentary approval. Finally, he is of the view that the benefits of the current scheme are substantially undervalued. HS2 Ltd continues to refine its estimates of cost, benefits and schedule. All these will be considered within the scope of the Oakervee review."

Jonathan

 

Derek Batty
Derek Batty's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 21 min ago
Joined: 17/04/2014

Sorry Johnathan but to me I cannot understand why spend so much money just to cut travel times ,surly it would be better to spend money on upgrading existing lines and elsewhere on hospitals ect 

derek

Jonathan Kay
Jonathan Kay's picture
Online
Last seen: 1 min 52 sec ago
Joined: 17/04/2014

... why spend so much money just to cut travel times ,surly it would be better to spend money on upgrading existing lines...

A major objective is to add capacity on the West Coast Main Line so that it can carry more local and regional passenger traffic and more freight. Trains find it difficult to overtake each other on the same track.

If you want to achieve that increase in all traffic categories you need additional lines. So the comparator is new lines that aren't high speed. And they're not that much cheaper.

The time saving for passengers between Birmingham and London isn't great. But it isn't a major part of the case. It isn't "just to cut travel times". But the time savings on a joined up high speed rail system that goes a lot further could be a lot bigger.

Jonathan

PS: It always amuses me that small time savings on rail travel aren't thought to be important. But the same delays on road journeys would be unbearable. 

Derek Batty
Derek Batty's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 21 min ago
Joined: 17/04/2014

How about a monorail Johnathon , poss cannot be more expensive as easier to build ???

or have I lost the plot again 

Derek 

Jonathan Kay
Jonathan Kay's picture
Online
Last seen: 1 min 52 sec ago
Joined: 17/04/2014

Sorry, I couldn't even list the advantages and disadvantages of conventional tracks and wheels, wheeled monorail and levitated monorail.

Anyone?

Jonathan

Derek Batty
Derek Batty's picture
Offline
Last seen: 2 hours 21 min ago
Joined: 17/04/2014

Does that mean it’s one to me.   Johnathan 

derek

abbot
abbot's picture
Offline
Last seen: 45 min 15 sec ago
Joined: 17/04/2014

No it just means JK has not found a good source of data to comment.

He will come back.