London Bridge incident

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It gets rather expensive if we never release people from jail. Are you prepared to pay more tax for that?
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I should have been a politician or a judge 

Derek

No I think it's best that you were a builder.

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To me Doug what’s the option let them out and kill again I only mean keep the murderers ect in ,,, mind you if it were up  to me ,,they would be executed so no cost ,, and I think prison terms should be shorter but for a def fixed time and a lot harder regime ,,,poss on a cold remote island of Scotland ( sorry scotland ) make it hard so they will not want to commit crimes again 

derek

so you don’t have much faith in me Doug to keep the streets safe  

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Derek, the first imprisonment for Kahn was for conspiracy or planning not for murder.  Yesterday's example may or may not have been deliberate (although it has been portrayed as such)

GJT not sure what you mean "may not have been deliberate" to what are you refering?  Kahn's rampage looked pretty deliberate to me.

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I am not sure if there is a very clear difference in Police Protocol between France and the UK but a colleague here in France said "Looks like the police followed the French rules"  we then went on to discuss the very low proportion of any similar incident where the attacker survives to go to court in France.

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Yes I realize that now ,,but my point is if he is given 16 years he must serve them ,,looks like he fooled a lot of well paid people ,who should have there arses kicked very hard ,heard on news he went somewhere on release but had a police officer with him that is crazy , that’s poss couple of police officers being a nanny barmy ,,like I said  if he served his time two yong people would still be alive ,,yes he may have committed  similar when he got out ,,if so ,as I say death penalty for murder which he intended to do and carried out 

am I the only one on here who believes in death penalty for some murders ,,, just think if it was one of your kids or grandkids , what would you think then O he needs help ,,,,,dont think so ? 

Derek 

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Derek, I think the counter to that agument is one that says how would you feel if one of your children or grandchildren was wrongly prosecuted and put to death.  It is not a reversible process so it has to be pretty rock solid conviction.  

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If the death penalty is ever to be carried out it has got to be one hundred percent positive they are guilty ,which it is in some cases , and if it was one of your children or relatives to be executed it would be terrible ,,,but as I say how about the victims ,,,,some say it is barbaric but look at the murders being commited and then blamed on drugs ect 

there’s no easy solution 

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Deliberate or not refers to the hit & run, a case yet to be taken to court.

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If the death penalty is ever to be carried out it has got to be one hundred percent positive they are guilty

100%? Like this case for example? Three innocent men released after 36 years in prison for crime they did not commit.  So few cases are 100%, I would have thought if they were thought guilty for 36 years that's as close to 100% certain as you could get.

just think if it was one of your kids or grandkids , what would you think then O he needs help ,,,,,dont think so ? 

That's why we don't put punishment in the hands of victims, they can't be expected to think about the crime rationally (although in many cases they do London Bridge victim's father: 'Jack would be livid his death has been used to further an agenda of hate').  It's also why we shouldn't put complex decisions to a referendum - a vote on capital punishment would probably be in favour based on emotional responses like yours when a much more carefully thought through response is needed.