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NEW: Government announce 6 month MOT exception for all vehicle owners. Vehicles must be kept roadworthy and garages will remain open for essential repair work. Drivers could still be prosecuted if vehicle is found to be unsafe

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Argh...  exemption comes into effect for all vehicles due an MOT on or after 30th March.

Tin-top is due (for the first time) on 29th March...

What a difference a day makes!

(Not that I am intending to go anywhere anytime soon, but I'd prefer to be in a position to do so if the genuine need arose).

James

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Government announce 6 month MOT exception for all vehicle owners.

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That's a reasonable response, and pretty simple to understand.

Jonathan

PS: The rules and periods vary a surprising amount between rich countries, but I've never seen the statistics for dangerous faults detected against age of vehicle etc. Six months might just be long enough to see if there's any effect. 

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Stats would be interesting for this, Jonathan.  Modern cars are so well engineered these days...  I guess the chances of a dangerous fault occurring and needing rectification on a three year old car coming up for its first MOT, or a four year old car needing its second annual check, are far lower than for a car that is already, say, ten or twelve years old when it rolls in to the Test Centre. 

Apart from things like worn tyres, etc, which are more a symptom of poor ownership skills than age (or mileage) of vehicles - and of course with the honorable exception of Caterham Sevens which - as we all know - are invariably maintained in absolutely tip-top conditions of roadworthiness irrespective of age or mileage!

James

 

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Exactly. My guess is that you see a steady increase with age, but with a bulge at the first inspection whenever it is held.

So possibly we could go 3,5,7,9 then annual with very little increase in risk.

Jonathan

PS: I'm expecting EVs to need completely different service and inspection patterns... with that exception of tyre wear...

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Fewer cars on the road all doing less miles should cause few problems in terms of safety with the extension.

Next problem will be newish cars needing to be serviced within the correct intervals to maintain warranties.

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Next problem will be newish cars needing to be serviced within the correct intervals to maintain warranties.

Hadn't spotted that. I expect a boom in civil legal action after the outbreak. Legislation can override eg contracts, but a fair bit of current Government action is exhortation, not legislation.

Jonathan

PS: In healthcare we've got a tentative waiver as long we 're trying...

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Not sure about your 'bulge theory' for new cars that are just coming up to their first three year inspection as I would expect them (engineered to such high standards, as all modern cars are) to be mostly pretty bullet-proof at that age.  Maybe a more-or-less linear increase in reported faults with age thereafter - but against minimum life expectancies of at least 10 years or 100,000 miles, the gradient should be quite shallow.  I imagine these stats must exist somewhere.

As for servicing and so on; my tin-top was due an inspection by the dealer tomorrow so that its original warranty can be extended for another two years.  Obviously this is not going ahead as planned but I was reassured to hear that the OEM was offering a 45 day period of grace for warranty extensions to be purchased (45 days from expiry of the current warranty to the deadline for buying the extension) and that any vehicle failures in that grace period would be treated as being under warranty, subject to the usual exclusions, on a goodwill basis - so long as there was an auditable trail of commitment to extend the warranty when it becomes possible again.  I sent an email so that the trail is very much there!  I was also told that this 45 day period would be reviewed if circumstances demanded it.  I think we will see a lot of reasonable approaches being offered as things eventually return to something closer to normality.

James

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Not sure about your 'bulge theory' for new cars that are just coming up to their first three year inspection as I would expect them (engineered to such high standards, as all modern cars are) to be mostly pretty bullet-proof at that age.

You could be right, but I was thinking of sporadic failures in components or assembly rather than wear and tear. Some of those will be picked up whenever the first inspection occurs.

Jonathan

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You could be right, but I was thinking of sporadic failures in components or assembly rather than wear and tear. Some of those will be picked up whenever the first inspection occurs.

You could be right too, Jonathan, but modern production and assembly processes being what they are, I would be surprised. 

There's an inevitability about a bathtub profile to failure distributions for any series-manufactured product (the steep end of the tub - where the plug and taps go - representing the early infant mortality failures, with a long flat bottom of uninterrupted, reliable service life, followed by a shallow rising curve - where you would rest your back in the tub - reflecting the wear-and-tear failures which precede end of life).  But the shape of these curves for modern cars is so different (much, much flatter) than used to be the case...  Would be fascinating to see the stats.

We're well off track with this topic now!

James