New French speed limit

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New French speed limit

I don't know whether this has been posted on here before, but as of 1 July 2018, the national limit on single-carriageway French roads drops from 90kph to 80kph.

It seems this change has been introduced in an attempt to reduce the mounting death toll.  Interestingly, I read somewhere that Président Macron himself was not in favour of the measure.  If that's true, surely he has the clout to say no?

However, I seriously doubt that this measure will have the desired effect.  I spend six months of every year in France, driving both tintop and 7, and drive regularly on all kinds of roads.  IME, speeding is not the issue, but rather the generally poor standard of driving.  Four particular things come to mind:

  • Driving too close to the vehicle in front.  This is, IMHO, their worst fault by far, and happens everywhere, despite their being a law prohibiting it.
  • Cutting corners, especially on blind bends.
  • Overtaking recklessly and at the last possible moment, usually after having dithered yes?/no?, yes?/no?  for most of the preceding straight.  (And, of course, being so close to the vehicle in front makes spotting an overtaking opportunity much more difficult.)
  • Not having adequate control of the car, especially the appalling habit of driving with left arm dangling out of the window.

No doubt others can add to this list.

And something that's always puzzled me...

Why is it that most French road users, on approaching a roundabout with the intention of going straight on, will first signal left, and then signal right prior to their exit?   Of course, they also signal left on approach if they actually intend to turn left.  Quite illogical, and very confusing.  Is it part of the French driving test?

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I was about to post the same warning.

However, I seriously doubt that this measure will have the desired effect.

Taking bets? It usually does. :-)

Jonathan

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Taking bets?

Yes, why not?  I'll donate £10 to RAD at the end of June 2019 if there is verifiable evidence that the measure has worked (defined as a drop in road deaths of at least 400).  The snag, of course, is that it may prove difficult to identify truly relevant and specific evidence, given that there are so many variables and the causes of road deaths are so difficult to pin down.

What I'd really like to see is the analysis conducted by le Comité interministériel de la sécurité routière that led them to their conclusion.

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Agree with the tailgating.

And then tailgating with left indicator on, on motorways and dual carriageways.

Once the preserve of French luxobarges and ‘supercars’ or maybe just a hazy memory of the trips south from Paris...Now every boring Peugeot and Citroën seems to join a line of cars at speed indicating to an invisible possible overtake. 

I think it’s done to intimidate  drivers?

Now it’s drivers of vans using mobiles to video the ‘odd little car’ they see.

But on the whole I love driving in France. 

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But on the whole I love driving in France. 

Oh yes, so do I.  Especially in the 7 on an empty rural D-road.  And the quality of the surface is so good.

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If I remember right it's a legal requirement en France to indicate when you are overtaking in the outside lane ?

My main memory of many epic French drives is  the number of times my sundry hot hatches were left in the dust by enterprisingly driven Renault 4s and ancient 205 Diesels , as often as not in the France Profonde livery of beige or matt white . These distressed old cars were invariably driven by postmen and ladies d'un certain age .

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I'll donate £10 to RAD at the end of June 2019 if there is verifiable evidence that the measure has worked (defined as a drop in road deaths of at least 400).  The snag, of course, is that it may prove difficult to identify truly relevant and specific evidence, given that there are so many variables and the causes of road deaths are so difficult to pin down.

Thanks, John.

I'm checking what data sets are collected in France.

Jonathan

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Wild boar, apparently they cause 25000 car crashes a year in France. Must be road hogs Thumb Up 

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I think that revised speed limit is only for reverse...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@johnaston - not sure it’s still law now John, but certainly it’s used as an indicator to ‘move over’ if you are doing less than 150kmh.... :D

The biggest issue I ever had (speeding tickets in ‘cash’ aside) was making the mistake of flashing someone (headlights!!) to allow them to move out. They saw it as ‘I’m coming through....stay put’ (like the uk Police do) and it caused all kinds of mayhem when I first started to drive regularly in France some 30 yrs ago.

Bizarrely, the Suisse have a different set of, Er, um....standards i.e. shocking (worse than the French....and my French wife Agrees!)

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Interesting twist to this story

Hautes-Alpes a décidé de supprimer des zones limitées à 70 km/h sur le réseau routier

So the Deparrtment Hautes-Alpes, just below Grenoble, has decided that if the 90 limit drops to 80 then there is no point in having a 70 limit so they will delete it