Derek , i think it may be difficult to "sort out our own" by banning Immigrants, can the NHS stand to loose 12.5 % of its already depleted staff, can Higher education survive if it looses 30% of its academic staff , Schools loosing 15% of teachers, and 16% of new teachers, figures for trades and unskilled workers harder to come by, but i'm betting they are quite high , I can't see any of that improving our country i'm afraid ,
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Won't they just bring the goods in through container ports along with the other 20+ million units that already does.
No need to use Dover.
We should do as Australia does if we need them ok what I am talking about is the amount who come in most cannot speak English they bring all there family in have aces to all hospitals health car etc when we have people who were born here living on the streets and people who cannot get housing but immigrants jump the cue
if we concentrated on the kids at collage to guide them into the profession s which we are short it would be a start also people on the dole should be made to take work yes easily said but we have got to do something
what makes me laugh is the gov keep on about net immigration figures we send out professional people and get back I. Return ?. Think that poss means nearly poss over half million coming to uk every year it cannot work
sorry if sounds a bit radical
It is not radical Derek, just wrong.
The migrants are young fit already educated and work which results in them paying more tax than they cost in services.
BBC - EU migration: How has it changed the UK?
On average contributing £2300 a year more than locals.
The lack of investment in education and training for those in the UK is a problem. Just not one related in any way to either the EU or migrants.
Hi Doug not a lover of graphs. Don’t think they show the real picture so let’s leave it as we disagree on this subject as my views are poss a bit radical
There are a couple of things you say that i can sort of agree with, guiding youngsters into professions/careers more carefully and identification of true benefit cheats, but some of your points, I Think, are based on propaganda rather than truth , Total net Migration to UK is closer to 270,000 , over 70% of immigrants live in the private rented sector so do not need social housing, ergo they do not dispossess the indigenous population , there is little evidence that as a group they get preferential treatment for social services , yes immigrants can access health care, surely that's only fair , all people should have access to good health care , around 14% of the UK population can be classed as immigrants, of which around 30% , of that number , are EU citizens and about 80% of those are in work therefore paying tax , NI etc ,I don't have figures for the rest but I'd like to bet the majority are in work , I think what I am trying to say is immigration has purely been used by certain groups as an easy and obvious target to stir up strong feelings,
As we ,the UK, are not a member of Schengen we have always had full control of our borders, just various governments have policed things poorly, why would leaving Europe make any difference ?
It may however make things much harder for Our youngsters to study abroad, work abroad (which would have buggered a chunk of my career) , and live abroad, It will make things much harder for European and none European youngsters to come here , which could deprive universities of much needed income,
It will make UK scientific/Arts research much narrower, The EU currently Fund in excess of £1 billion per year, we could/will loose this, if we loose funding we loose the top tier of education in all fields, leading to less innovation within industry across the board, I don't believe the Government will replace this funding stream
Just a few of the reasons I believe Brexit is the most foolish thing we have volunteered for, ever,
(not that the true Majority did) but that's a whole other argument
oh and I am by no means a "left wing liberal" although I am probably on the liberal side of Right wing :-)
Hi Tim will try and give my thoughts point by point
1 they live in rented private sector but who pays most of the rent benefits of some kind usually
2yes every body should have access to health services but only if you have paid in the uk cannot support every body
3Sorry look at the border with France don’t think we have control of that I feel sorry for the lorry drivers having to put up with all the immigrants trying to board the lorries
4they pay tax and ni yes some do don’t but some don’t they get more out than they put in as they have only been here a few here a few years it’s obvious
5Sorry but not much on politics and nobody nows what is going to happen after brexit so we will have to wait and se what the gov,, give into and to be honest not into politics so personally no idea ,only thing glad about is that we have not got Corbyn in power as to me he is a total fruit cake
So to sum it up spend your cash this year have a great Xmas and new year till the shit hits the fan next year stock up on food and wine sit tight then you can say Derek I bloody told you so
all the best Tim think we agree to dissagree but that makes the world go by.
For now anyway all the best Derek
No problem with people having different views to me, after all if we all thought the same there would be no conversation and life would be bloody boring :-)
and yes I disagree with your points and possibly your views although I don't know you so that's a bit of a generalisation,
I'm afraid some of your points are just not backed up by the facts, however two final things before we agree to disagree,
I'm sure we could enjoy a beer and a bit of fat chewing int' pub
and finally, I would fight to my dying day to support the principle that you can have and voice those views , even if they are wrong ;-)
Hi Tim. Good of you to admit you are wrong
all the best derek