For Brexiters: everything you know about the EU listed - and disproved. 25 years of moaning about things that weren't true.
About 2 years to late on that one....I've said for 2 years, its hardly surprising Remain lost the argument as no politian or leader has explained what positives being a member of the EU has brought. Its was always negative stories whipped up in the press - banning bendy banannas, pints of beer or making us convert roadsigns to kilometers. These were never countered and the positive case presented. The EU was a convenient scapegoat for a myriad of issues, some of which should have been addressed by our own UK governments.
But whats on the table appears to be a compromise that neither side is happy about.
Copy of draft agreement available here: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/files/draft-agreement-withdrawal-united-kingdom-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-european-union-and-european-atomic-energy-community-agreed-negotiators-level-14-november-2018_en
"And we moved! We flashed past the mysterious white signs in the night somewhere..."
So the EU side has to approve the agreement with a 65% majority. And we're leaving because of 4%.
I only hope that the whole lot comes crashing down and we have a general election.
And it now less than 4% due to demographic change.
General election, or Peoples Vote? Id favour the former if the two opposition parties committed to having a People Vote. I think we need a clean sheet, pause for contemplation, then a Peoples Vote on the final deal. Three options should be presented - the current deal, no deal or cancel the whole thing and remain in the EU as current arrangement. Possibly using a PR system so that it isn't just 33-33-33% and we end up split 3 ways!
Probably all impossible! The risk of this approach is a communist leaning Chancellor and a Marxist leaning PM of course.... but after this farce of a government, Im possibly giving Labour the benefit of the doubt.
I doubt we'll have another referendum, because that would raise too much criticism But an election with at least one party standing on a remain manifesto would negate the referendum result.
We'd only have to put up with Labour for 5 years, maybe in coalition, so hopefully the damage would be limited. Perhaps then, the country would come to it's senses.
I think we should ask the question again - now we know more and there is a proposed plan for Brexit on the table. In 2016 there was no plan, beyond 'it'll be fine'.
I quite agree - Labour or a Labour-led coalition would only be for 5 years - the 'wrong' Brexit plan could tie us down for decades to come. We have to get it right, or the best we can.
Meanwhile, while HMG & the civil service is dominated by this topic, other issues and HMG responsibilties are being ignored or under resourced. We still have schools, transport, NHS, defense, the environment - all with issues that need political attention, but the Tory party is still 'banging on about Europe' - as David Cameron said at conference before the referendum. A referendum that was supposed to resolve the issue - instead its torn the Tory party apart and potentially jeopardizing the Act of Union. What a dog breakfast of a situation!
The Brexit Secretary has just resigned!
I think if Brexit goes ahead, Scotland will have another vote and get independence and rejoin the EU. I don’t think Wales will split from the union as I think their economy is too fragile. All opinion not based in any facts.
Certainly a day for Brexitears
The problems in the UK were always based in the UK. Our own politicians have in the past been able to get away with blaming others for their own decisions and failings.
The voters should by now have got the idea that a large number of the politicians and media commentators they should have been able to trust were in fact clueless.
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