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Too many cars and not enough good drivers! A large proportion seem to take the view that they have a 'right' to drive (usually pretty poorly) but without any responsibility whatsoever. Oh, and traffic laws do not apply to them.

That said, I recognise none of the above is particularly helpful. I agree with the idea of regular re-tests or supplementary training/lessons every few years but I have no expectation that any political group  would support it as it is neither a big vote-winner or cost-free.

As I get older I find my ever diminishing patience with other drivers causes me no end of internal shouting - if I shout out loud SWMBO (rightly) gets a tad upset with me. I am trying very hard to adopt a zen-like approach but it is very difficult.

Oh for the good old days eh?

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Roger, why should it need a fire engine sign or similar? Simply use the cameras on the gantries to issue 6 points and a £200 fine (same as mobile phone use) if you drive under the red lane-closed cross, there’s few rules of the road that are so easily identifiable and defined. It just needs someone in government with some backbone to push it through. And there maybe lies the problem.

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Ah! Therein lies the rub Stu. Backbone and government ( or any politicians for that matter) are mutually exclusive

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Well firstly, there were no red crosses in evidence, and rightly or wrongly most people seem to interpret the cross as meaning the lane is closed ahead - at some point. If "smart" motorways are as good as the government claims, you'd think they'd have at least carried out a publicity campaign to make the meaning of the red cross clear, but I've don't recall anything like that. Some sort of emergency service sign is likely to be more effective, for the simple reason that it would give a more precise indication of the reason. I believe that someone once had the brilliant idea of having a special lane on the left reserved for breakdowns and emergency services. Don't know what happened to that notion.

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I did a smart motorway awareness course last year (caught doing 70 on a clear motorway with 60 restriction).  There were others on the course who had been caught/photographed for driving through a red X lane.

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So driving appropriately for the road & conditions? (But illegally). The operators will never admit that they left the signs on by mistake.

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The red cross is not only used on Smart motorways, it's used for traffic control anywhere. For example the three lane bridge at Lowestoft harbour is controlled by overhead lights used to aid traffic flow at peak times. The centre lane changes from green to red X at the appropriate times. Ignore at your peril.

I'm not sure whether it's in the highway code, but it clearly needs to be recognised by all drivers.

All of these measures are cost saving balanced against risk, normal practice. 

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Yes I was really hacked off when I received the notice of intended prosecution. The explanation I received is that they "manage" traffic flow if they can see a tailback miles ahead, or ... get this ... if local pollution sensors detect high pollution levels - driving slower reduces motorway pollution apparently!

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Driving at optimal speed reduces vehicle emissions - convention has it that a car is most efficient at 50-60mph. So crawling/idling and going flat out is generally worse for emissions than a middling speed.

A local example to me is the M60.  The air quality around the northern sections of the M60 is pretty poor due to the awful congestion - the two issues go hand in hand.  It was a small factor in me moving house last year, because as well as the motorway, we lived on a through road/ bus route and its something Im aware of.  My wife has occasional/ slight asthma, and we have a little boy.

In terms of the congestion, since the roadworks finally completed after about 4 years and the smart motorway was turned on, it is notably improved.  The traffic keep moving thus negating congestion and the air quality should correspondingly improve.  The controllers can manage congestion to keep the traffic moving which also aids air quality.  Additionally, if the air is really poor, but not due to congestion (high air pressure, still day, vehicle and other emissions), speeds can be reduced to reduce the vehicle emissions.   

As an aside, since moving to a much more rural area in May last year, my wife hasn't had use an asthma inhaler once, the windows don't get as mucky outside and the amount of household dust appears reduced.  Its a much healthier environment for children to grow up in and, as this case demonstrates, it is creeping up the public agenda.      

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if local pollution sensors detect high pollution levels - driving slower reduces motorway pollution apparently!

This is true. You might have had an interesting case if you had been driving an electric car!

Stephen

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