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France considering a One Off Tax for SUVs

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Whats not to like: the bloody things are so high that the driver in a lot of cases does not alter the line of sight below that which the SUV creates. 

In essence it is poor driving style & a lack of situational awareness created by the sense of invulnerability that the vehicle bestows on the driver.  In the past two weeks this sort of driving incident has happened to me, twice in the Seven & once in the Mini which in Mk 4 form is not that 'small'. 

One incident in the Seven was a woman driver (I know) in a 2019 Nissan X-Trail deciding to enter a roundabout barely fifteen feet in front of me as I closed on her in the Seven. Thanks to good brakes & no one behind I sorted it out. On chasing her & having the opportunity to have a polite chat I was told that she had no recollection of seeing a 'small bright red car on the roundabout'. So I educated her to the fact that if she had looked out & down as should have done it would have been obvious. This did not go down to well as I questioned her driving skill!  Or lack of it.

Thankfully we parted without any agro but I did feel the fire rising in me.................

 

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The wheelbase of a 'New' Mini and a Land Rover Discovery are not far off..

Cant argue with the high up driving position, or ease of entry for kids or elderly, rather than falling into a car. Can't argue with lack of awareness of sight lines, having been reversed into and countless incidents of SUVs pulling in on my left to see over me to turn left, when they could have held back a foot or two and let me see traffic in both directions.

Round here an SUV is essential to mount the pavement a school pickup time on the common to pick up the Tabithas.

I am surprised how many don't seem to have Bluetooth as phone use is ridiculous.

 

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Oh, and having driven a VW T4 for a few years, the position, up with the RRs, and the SPACE made it one of the most practical vehicles I've ever owned. And I could cook and sleep in it! The packaging was superb. I wondered why big SUV drivers didn't drive them more.

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Round here an SUV is essential to mount the pavement a school pickup time

And around here too.  Quite how the primary school kids get in without a step-up stool, I have no idea (well that isn't quite true, it's rather like using a climbing frame but many dogs need lifting in or a ramp)

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Let's attack not only SUVs but also those who drive them. Ah, if only we could power vehicles with pompous self-righteous self-important indignation we could crack the energy and emissions issues. BC alone could power a small fleet of Nissan Micras. I look forward to the graphs. :) Peter
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Wait till they bring out  an electric seven    Then you’ll be bloody moaning ,,sod the ozone layer 

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The acceleration likely from an electric Seven would be astonishing.

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I live in the land of the SUV.  As I write this I've done a quick survey of vehicles passing my window and I reckon the breakdown is about 60% SUV, 30% car and the rest split between truck (Ford F150 and the like) and minivans (people carriers).  I expected the truck count to be higher.

Of the SUV's, I reckon at least half of them are the (slightly) more acceptable compact type - Ford Escape (Kuga), Honda CRV, Nissan Rogue, VW Tiguan, Kia Sportage, Subaru Forester etc.  But you do also get a fair share of the full size SUV's - Chevy Tahoe and Suburban, Lincoln Navigator, Toyota Land Cruiser, Caddi Escalade etc.  And lots of Jeep Wranglers, of course.

People (myself included) tend to go for the compact SUV because it is the easiest route into all-wheel drive without going for a full fat 4WD.  Subaru and BMW have always offered some form of all-wheel drive in their saloons in our local market, but few other car makers do so if you feel the need to have more than front wheel drive to get you through a New England winter, a compact SUV is the logical choice.

The perception of safety and wanting a raised driving position is part of the appeal as well though.  When you are sat on the freeway in a car, surrounded by SUV's, trucks and semi's (what we would call an arctic) you can feel very vulnerable - the wife refuses to drive a car for this very reason.

I think there are a variety of reasons why someone round here might go for a full fat SUV.  The road trip is still very popular - be it visiting family in distant states or going to a far-flung beach or a skiing trip.  Compact SUV's don't offer a whole load of space and so I can understand why a family with more than 2 kids would want the three rows of seats and boot space that the larger SUV's can offer.  Performance cars and performance saloons are a big waste of time round here (low speed limits, crappy roads and rwd) so people wanting a 'prestige' vehicle will often go for a large SUV instead - just because they can. 

Lease deals are competitive - you can get a Ford Explorer for $4k down and $400 a month (36 mo, 30k miles).  That equates to about £15k to cover depreciation and loan costs.  I don't think the mpg on a run is going to be that much worse than a compact SUV. 

So, live and let live I say.  We shouldn't go casting the first stone here when others could justifiably argue that A-to-A, just for pleasure blats in a 7 are totally unnecessary, a waste of a diminishing natural resource and impactful on the environment Biggrin

Full disclosure - I run a compact SUV (Ford Escape) and a Jeep Wrangler TankBiggrin

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