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Mis-post!

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Agreed. ;-)

That's the point I was trying to make about the missing raw numbers.

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Looks large sedans are not yet beaten by SUVs as the young rebel against them being thier parents choice of vehicle

Large Sedans Not Dead

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Certainly seeing another advantage to SUVs in the Peak District villages at the moment

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Great picture of a Land Rover doing what's it good at.

But I wouldn't call that an SUV...

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Its doesn't show the next picture in the sequence of the driver opening the door to drain the interior.....

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"Great picture of a Land Rover doing what's it good at.

But I wouldn't call that an SUV..."

Agreed, that is a vehicle capable of doing real work in difficult conditions, and no-one has yet answered my question as to what Sports Utility Vehicle actually means. Is there just the slightest chance that it's perhaps, maybe, marketing BS designed to make people feel they are "rugged".

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I think performance in difficult terrain mainly comes down to ride height (for rocks, deep water etc) and tyres for the slippy stuff. A SUV with trendy 21" wheels and low profile tyres is useless in the snow but with all-season tyres or winter tyres they are superb. SUVs don't have a LR's ride height but a lot higher than a car. They are a compromise between every day road use and comfort, practicality and capability in difficult circumstances. All in my opinion of course although I've had SUVs for at least a decade.

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Agreed, that is a vehicle capable of doing real work in difficult conditions, and no-one has yet answered my question as to what Sports Utility Vehicle actually means. Is there just the slightest chance that it's perhaps, maybe, marketing BS designed to make people feel they are "rugged".

Yes. mostly marketing now. But still some overlap with design characteristics. And still affected by history although that's different between the UK and the USA.

Was the "S" for "Sports" originally a reference to shooting wild animals rather than as in "sports car"?

Jonathan

PS: Classification often looks as if its only about the objects being classified. But it also often tells us about the classifiers. In biology there's the concept of Toxicofera, the common insistence that birds aren't really dinosaurs... and Borges' contribution.

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Branding, marketing and making items a lifestyle choice or trendy massively affects sales and the achievable sales price. It certainly is the case with cars and it happens a lot with bikes (adventure/gravel/cyclocross/road endurance/commuter...). It is done so very well that sometimes it is hard to see through it all. I actually sometimes make a determined effort not to follow a marketing trend (such as wearing black socks instead of white on my road bike) :)