Tower Block Fire ! London

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Having been a London squirter from the late 60's we experienced the 'new' material of plastics in fire the hard way.

We ran into trouble with it, first by electric blankets setting fire to Dunlopillo mattresses then further complications from kitchen appliances in plastic and the big killer fire-spreader polystyrene (especially ceiling tiles).The smallest of fires were spreading in the fastest of ways. Heat build-up caught us on the hop many times.

We learnt and we took notice of our 'difficulties' some which killed even the most experienced of firefighters. Legislation took care of us and the norm was to fight the fire from inside out as we had always done with natural materials. Legislation worked, until now.

Over the years the Isle of Mann Leisure Centre and Kings Cross fire disasters were (or should have been) reminders of the difficulty of fighting this fast-moving self-feeding sick material...

Architects, fire-safety regs, builders etc etc forgot. I bet a lot of people of my era are so angry and sad with them for forgetting about our, and many innocent people's experiences - like they didn't matter.

Are commercial considerations SO important they outweigh common decency and respect for life?

Is it a memory thing?

Will this happen in another 50 years?

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Is it a memory thing? Will this happen in another 50 years?

Precisely that cultural effect has been suggested for catastrophic failure of bridges. A new technology comes in with precautions, then the next designers gradually get casual get with it. It was suggested by Sibley and Walker wih a generation time of 30y, and is discussed by Petroski in "Success through Failure".

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LB Camden - damned if they move people out, damned if they don't.

Would you move residents out of the tower-blocks?

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Depends on the risk assessment. But not on their wishes.

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Cladding manufacturer Arconic pulls product from sale for high-rises

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Arconic said it was "discontinuing" global sales of Reynobond PE for use in tower blocks after "issues" were identified after the fire on 14 June

No kidding?

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There really is some very poor reporting going on with some fuzzy thinking on the people to blame . My take is that if the Building Regs permitted this cladding then central government must take ultimate responsibility ; but if the Regs don't do so, or actively prevent it,   then  we need to look at the specification.  Was this stuff mandated - if so why and by whom ? But if not,  why wasn't it picked up before completion ? The finger then starts to point at the construction company , the people who checked and certified the work . And what was the relationship between building owner- the Council - and the body managing the site for them ? And what contributing factors were there - fridge company ? The  people who left rubbish in stair wells?

I suspect the redtops might stop whining about health and safety and red tape screwing up..ahem.. ' hard working people who are just about managing '    

 

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'Damned if do, damned if don't' is right but it seems to be a vast over-reaction when smoke alarms could be fitted in every room and corridor almost overnight, noisy hand operated alarms could be fitted on every landing and the Fire Brigade's revised advice to residents will undoubtedly be to 'take steps, ruddy great big ones towards the stairs' as soon as an alarm goes of in a high rise with known flammable cladding.

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PeterM.

Camden were suggesting a fire warden in every block but the LFB point out that the fire evacuation plan is for residents to remain in place. As I understand it, the single escape stair does not have capacity for everyone (official capacity) to escape at the same time.

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Just seen this:

'There were hundreds of fire doors missing': @sajidjavid reveals the scale of recent fire safety inspection failures in Camden tower blocks.

So evacuation was probably the correct response. 

Stephen

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According to radio 4 report today the London Fire Brigade last year wrote - in no uncertain terms, to all the Local Authorities - to examine the quality and fitment of these panels after experiencing unusual fire spread in incidents in tower blocks.

There was no action from their concerns.... Shame.

At least they haven't been sitting on their hands but you have to ask if they are the front-line advisors why weren't they listened to? Who is listening to who, what do you have to do to be listened to? All these societies, fellowships, meeting in big committees, conferences etc...they must just witter and not be heard...

Tolpuddle Martyrs, the levellers all come to mind who have shouted. Not the way it should be done maybe but the only way people-in-power will hear.