UK to ban petrol and diesel cars and vans by 2040?

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Oh this will be fun - fuel on the canals has two vat rates - zero for heating and full for propulsion 

and it's down to the honesty of the purchaser to declare what proportion - as a rule is 60/40 when cruising and zero in Marina 

so when charging your car at home will there be a standard vat rate 

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Im sure as the EV sector matures, you'll see EV parts in sports cars. Lotus as an example borrows heavily from mainstream manufacturers, and surely if it wants to survive it will eventually have to offer an EV. Given Lotus consultancy is usually at the sharp end of R&D, they may be advancing in this arena already.
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Anyone remember 'Tomorrows World'?

They got most of the predictions right I think, but perhaps not in the predicted timescale.

Beam me up Scotty, well next year then

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So will we be paying duty on electricity or will road pricing be introduced?

Given the current government have imposed carbon taxes on renewables, what makes you think it's an either/or?

While I generally applaud efforts to improve air quality, and acknowledge that at some point the oil will run out as global population continues to rise, the rise of the electric car is also going to massively increase demand for all those rare and "hard and dirty to get" ingredients necessary for battery systems.

Happily those ingredients tend to be in other places in the planet's crust, so it's mostly going to be other people's environments we'll be degrading, and other people's air and water we'll be polluting.

Oh, wait... you mean air and water don't respect national boundaries?

I suspect the key issue is that any continued rise in numbers of the powered personal transportation device will prove to be unsustainable - changing the propulsion system is likely to turn out to be mere tinkering around the edges.

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There's no doubt that we are on an accelerating pathway to the electrification of vehicle drivelines as road transport transitions to a low-carbon future.  But this won't be the end of the internal combustion engine; expect ICE volumes to continue to increase in absolute terms until, say, post 2030 - even though market share may be in decline.  And as I understand it, the approach that has been proposed today merely says that all new cars sold from 2040 will have to incorporate at least some electrication - so hybrid architectures (plug-in or otherwise) which utilise combustion engines will still be allowed in new cars after that date and, of course, there will be the substantial parc of legacy cars still running around. 

The Government also has to be careful to maintain its declared position of being technology agnostic here.  Electric vehicles will come to market in a variety of forms and whilst it's realistic to see hybrid solutions and battery electric vehicles as the increasingly popular choice in the near to middle term, it's important to recognise that other solutions - such as (hydrogen) fuel cell electric cars will also have a growing and significant role to play as the push to true zero-emissions takes hold over the longer term.

And what about the real polluters?  On the road network, commercial and public service vehicles of all types, off-highway vehicles (ag and construction), and then rail, and marine, and, and...  It's just so easy to target the poor private or individual road user (whose cars are anyway likely to be pretty clean in emissions terms) and, in so doing, not only create the illusion of meaningful action but also provide a 'get out of jail free' card to the big-hitters at the very top of the pollution tables.


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FT - Clean electric cars are built on pollution in Congo

Did I mention the Democratic Republic of Congo? Some 60 per cent of the world’s cobalt comes from this central African country, one the size of western Europe and with gargantuan problems to match. Some industry analysts are predicting a 30-fold increase in cobalt demand by 2030, much of which will come from Congo. Cobalt prices doubled in the past year alone. You might imagine the average Congolese would be thrilled by the prospect of the coming bonanza. But if history is any guide, the average Congolese will gain little — save perhaps from militia violence and perhaps a dangerous, poorly paid job.

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Outline plans set out to extend M65 to meet A1M

Transport for the North... tasked by the Government’s transport secretary with developing a cohesive ‘strategic plan’ so it can bid for the road and rail infrastructure improvement. 

... want to plan road and rail improvements which will last for 30 years.

No mention of the additional power plants needed to run the cars that will be using these roads for 30+ years 

Ham fisted idiot in a cramped garage

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We live in a country where the electrical grid only just copes with kettles going on after a good footy match or the X factor final. When we all plug ours cars in at night it'll be fun. Lots more power stations then, or a big cable to our friends in Europe. Ohh no...........

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An interesting bit of info from Faisal Islam of sky news.

worth noting Britain makes 1.2 million internal combustion engines a year, mostly for export. No mass production of electric drive trains.

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What will this do to the classic car market? 

Will the free road fund licence for classics be withdrawn?

Will petrol be phased out like 4 Star?

Will LPG be banned at the same time?

Will there be loads of leccy wires hanging out of the windows of blocks of flats?

We are constantly told that the one thing that the economy doesn't like is uncertainty  ;-))