Understanding Walking and Cycling

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Yes, but what's the origin of that rule about pedals?

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As I understand it, pedal cycles and foot scooters are obviously legal to use on the road without insurance or a licence. Electric bikes have been made legal, with certain restrictions (mainly 15.5 mph top speed). But, electric scooters are not currently - despite being in widespread use - hence the press articles about updating the law to include them.                          Don't know much about Segways. Are they not quite tricky to manoeuvre?

 

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Yes, but what's the origin of that rule about pedals?

1983 pedal cycles construction and use regulations and 2010 electrically assisted pedal cycles regulations.

I think foot-propelled scooters, skateboards and skates are legal on pavements and paths due to them not technically being 'ridden' or 'driven' due to the foot being consistently in contact with the ground, which doesn't apply to self propelled scooters, Segways and probably motorized skateboards.

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I was given a Segway session a couple of years ago, mostly offroad but a bit on the tarmac access road. Easy to manoeuvre, but that wasn't in unsegregated traffic. But quite unlike anything else, possibly because they don't have to be moving to be stable. 

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PS: Exploring the limit of adhesion was obviously obligatory. You had to beat it into submission to do that, and it was really active and hard to override. A bit like a stick pusher. I couldn't make it slide but I managed two involuntary dismounts.

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There are a lot of electric bikes on iom ,not sure speed they are allowed ,but shops sell a bike,, then.  fit something ,to allow speed a lot higher if you want ,must be something to confuse the electronics ,had a go on one they go like hell 

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... and 2010 electrically assisted pedal cycles regulations.

Doh! Thanks.

That's what I needed: the pedal rule is explicit there and not inherited from some other legislation. Parliamentary debate in 2015.

I'm not sure why it's there. It seems very like the old rule for mopeds but is legally independent.

IIUC the compliance changes would then have to include removing that, but is there anything else? eScooters would then be treated as eBikes and would need lights at night and two brakes. Most don't seem to have the latter. (Your legs count as one on a fixie.)

And that is one of my big concerns about their safety: how well can they brake?

Jonathan

PS: The story of the Cyclemaster.

PPS: My great-nephews are enjoying their Space Scooters. That's an unusual drive mechanism for a scooter but well-known on handbikes.

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Guardian article on legalisation of eScooters: segregation, helmets, anecdotal reports of deaths and injuries, learning from Paris.

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I still don't see any significant difference, in terms of usage and risk, between bikes and scooters.

Both should be subject to similar rules and guidance on safety and responsible use. But, my wider conern is making our roads safer and more suitable, and educating vehicle users to give more space and consideration to cyclists and scooterists.

At the moment, I don't use either - my big discovery, and hobby, is a really good pair of trainers and walking around town. Amazing how much fun brisk walking around London can be. So much to see, so much more efficient, and no cost (apart from the trainers). Of course, the removal of cars and other polluting vehicles would make the air more palatable.

Anyone using Nike Vaporflys? Any good or all hype?

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On a recent business trip to London I asked a cabbie what he thought of e-scooters as one shot passed us, weaved between cars, trucks, buses and pulled off an unbelievable manouevre which had two cyclists spinning (not literally)...

It was a rant to end all rants - even better than when I asked another cabbie what he thought about Uber :)

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