Why not add a Wiki?

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Why not add a Wiki?

I'm also a member on Seloc; the forum for lotus owners, and it has a fantastic wiki that everyone can edit & improve, mainly centered around variants of the Elise.  It would be great to have a Wiki for Caterham where people could share knowledge & how-tos.  No offense but the guides online here are not very comprehensive, I can't seem to find a way to edit or add to them, and searching old posts, while informative requires sherlock holmes skills to put together the clues on how to maintain and improve these great little cars.

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Yes, we put a lot of work into this last year, and nearly got there, but lost one of the leaders. Previous discussions, and I'm currently using that thread to accumulate topics.

IIUC the Guides are all now potentially multi-author.

And SELOC is a great model.

Jonathan

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Writing a to-do is one thing being competent to execute is another.

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Ok, I just read 19 pages about this topic, but it's not clear what the hold up is.  Is it technical or content?  I would suggest that if it is content, just launch the wiki and invite people to create topics.  Happy to submit a few myself.  A wiki needn't be held up until there is comprehensive content; that even goes against the philosophy of wikis - just launch it and let it evolve naturally, articles can always be categorised as things evolve. 

If it is a question of 'governance' - in my opinion keep it light, I suspect few volunteers are going to bother spending their personal time writing wiki articles if they need to be scrutineered by someone else before publication. 

 

 

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That's true, but the counterpoint is that in life, you only learn by trying until you succeed.  Competence comes through practice and after all we all learned to walk by falling down an awful lot at first. 

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Ok, I just read 19 pages about this topic, but it's not clear what the hold up is.  Is it technical or content?  I would suggest that if it is content, just launch the wiki and invite people to create topics.  Happy to submit a few myself.  A wiki needn't be held up until there is comprehensive content; that even goes against the philosophy of wikis - just launch it and let it evolve naturally, articles can always be categorised as things evolve. 

If it is a question of 'governance' - in my opinion keep it light, I suspect few volunteers are going to bother spending their personal time writing wiki articles if they need to be scrutineered by someone else before publication. 

It's mostly organisational. I would estimate that most of the technical work has been done, but that some more will be needed as we get going. I've read that Shaun is handing over responsibilty for the site (thanks for all the work) but don't know any more.

Happy to submit a few myself. 

Please do, but they'll be as Guides until we get the multiauthoring working. I hope that the topics and high level contents listed in the other thread help

Jonathan

PS: I have no status in this. Just a strong belief that we should be doing it and membership of the pilot group last year.

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A wiki needn't be held up until there is comprehensive content; that even goes against the philosophy of wikis

Exactly.

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I thought you had been consulted about this Jonathan.

I used SELOC as an examplar when discussing what we should do.

Stephen

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The guides are all Wiki enabled already - all the technical work is done. I have several times asked for volunteers to join as guides authors but had few responses. There is a good reason for not opening up to everyone and also having a review process as the club could potentially be seen as liable if a member followed an inaccurate guide or received some incorrect advice. I am no expert on the law around this but it was seen as prudent to have a review process in place.

If you would like to write some guides then I can enable you as an author and send you a document on how it works.

Shaun

 

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You could use Wikipedia's Terms of Use as a reference. They are quite comprehensive but they have conveniently summarised the main points, as follows;

You are free to:

Read and Print our articles and other media free of charge.
Share and Reuse our articles and other media under free and open licenses.
Contribute To and Edit our various sites or Projects.

Under the following conditions:

Responsibility — You take responsibility for your edits (since we only host your content).
Civility — You support a civil environment and do not harass other users.
Lawful Behavior — You do not violate copyright or other laws.
No Harm — You do not harm our technology infrastructure.
Terms of Use and Policies — You adhere to the below Terms of Use and to the applicable community policies when you visit our sites or participate in our communities.

With the understanding that:

You License Freely Your Contributions — you generally must license your contributions and edits to our sites or Projects under a free and open license (unless your contribution is in the public domain).
No Professional Advice — the content of articles and other projects is for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice.

In the case of the last one No Professional Advice is particularly useful as it effectively negates L7C of any liability.

 

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I don't believe a formal review process brings a lot of benefits these days because it excludes a lot of knowledgeable people from contributing 1) who is to say that reviewers are more technically competent on all topics than the authors?  2) why is the liability higher on a wiki than it is on the forum? People provide advice in the forum on how-tos which may or may not be correct.  3) I'm sure you the club insurance agents would provide advice as to what if any liability the club has. 4) in a wiki model, people can correct/improve articles collectively far more efficiently and quicker than a formal reviewer process.

personally, I think there maybe not many volunteers because the model of having to get permissions discourages people.  Why not just try an experiment and open it up to everyone?  What is the worst that could happen?

PS I've published guides on elsewhere, including changing camshafts on the k-series, and on pistonheads I published my notes on changing the cambelts on the sigma engine which could be improved and shared here.  I wrote them because I couldn't find a how-to guide at the time. 

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1693822

 

 

 

 

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You are probably right and personally I would be happy to do that but I need to get agreement from the rest of the team. There would be some further configuration changes required as the way it is set-up at the moment, guides authors get some additional menu items which could be quite confusing for most members. I'll look into it.