MSA Regional Structure / L7C

[Tigger]

I'm filling in the application for MSATP 2019 and it asks which Association the club belongs to.

As hard as I look I can't see that L7C is affiliated to any MSA Association.

The choices are:

• ACSMC
• AEMC
• ASEMC
• ASWMC

Am I missing something?  I belong to another car club which is listed but would prefer to be under L7C.

Tim
 

[Drumster]

Hi Tim,

I can't answer your question, but I always join the Sevenoaks & District MC (member of ASEMC) each year, although I invariably only enter the MATP event. If I were you I'd just enter as you have done in the past.

[Tigger]

Yup, after pawing through the Blue book got too long I came the the same conclusion. Strange though that L7C aren’t there.

Hope to see you at CP and Gurston.

[Comp Sec]

Strangely enough I can't answer it either, but i've asked the question.

[Nigel Fox]

According to the Motorsport UK web site, the Lotus 7 club is an affiliated club.

i don’t think it’s necessary to be in one of the 13 regional associations, and it probably isn’t appropriate for a national/international club.

[Comp Sec]

That was my thought as well but also asked if there is an association of national clubs as there are more than just us in this situation

[Richard Price]

When I was involved in rallying in my youth, it was common for rallies to be rounds of multiple regional championships, but individual event regulations normally said that the event was open to entries from members of clubs that were affiliated to certain regional associations, and the club that I was a member of was affiliated to at least five different regional associations. It meant that by joining one motor club you were eligible to compete on a wide array of events.

speed events tend to run a little differently, but, if you were an independent competitor, careful selection of the club that you joined may reduce the overall cost of event entries.

[Drumster]

Thanks for the explanation Richard.

Just to set the scene, when completing the MATP entry form we're informed:

We have invited the ACSMC, AEMC, ASEMC AND ASWMC to find out if your club is part of these associations please see pages 18,19,24 and 25 of the 2019 MSA Blue Book.

We then have to tick one of the 4 associations and then state which club we belong to in order to continue with the entry

[Comp Sec]

and MATP is ?

[Drumster]

Sorry, Motorsport At The Palace.

Crystal Palace sprint organised by Sevenoaks and District MC

[Simon.Rogers]

Chris

Your also missing the WAMC  Welsh association.  Unless Motorsport UK have that as ASWMC ?   We used to be listed under the Welsh region due to the Registered office location.  I think I recall unregistering us for some reason but it is too long ago now.  There must have been a reason.

I think joining a National Club group would be the best as the Regional Groups can get a little touchy if you then do not help out locally. That of course is not relevant to our national membership.

[Richard Price]

I don't see there is any need for us to be a member of any regional association.

for events that our championship visits, we are listed in that events regulations as an invited club or championship.

folks that wish to enter events where we're not an invited club or championship will need to enter a club or championship that is invited to those events.

[Tigger]

Although I appreciate that L7C events are covered the MSA club membership, there are other owners who wish to use their cars for other ad-hoc events, affiliation would provide additional value to club membership. There’s always debate on BC over what value is gained through L7C membership, to expand the benefits is worth considering. 

[Richard Price]

Tigger,

Whilst I can't actually find details of the costs involved, I'm sure that membership of each regional association would incur cost to the club.

In order that all UK based L7club members could compete on events where membership of a club affiliated to to a regional association may provide  the required qualification, then the L7club would need to be affiliated to all regional associations.

However, that potentially requires cost and effort on from the L7club on the off chance that the odd member may want to compete on the odd event on an ad-hoc basis.

There already those that complain that general members membership fees support the small percentage of the membership that compete in our own speed championship (despite the speed championship actually being self funding by championship registration fees and sponsorship), so additional spending to allow a few members to compete on an ad-hoc basis is not likely to be popular with the general membership (as the L7club is primarily an owners club rather than a motorsport club).

If you're already a member of a club that is either listed, or included by membership of a regional association in the regulations for MSATP, then why not simply enter under that club (which I'd guess is a local general motorsport club rather than an owners club)?

 

[Simon.Rogers]

Hi Richard

I don't think there is a cost.  There wasn't when I was doing it.  It was simply that you were part of a regional group.

[Tigger]

Thanks Simon,

Other much smaller clubs have regional associations so it would be reasonable to believe that cost would be minimal.....

Tim

[Comp Sec]

Just an update, 

All Motorsport UK registered clubs must be part of one of the associations. Section A2.7 & D2.0 of the Blue book.

There are two ways to decide on which association to be a member, either to be physically located in an associations area or to run events in there area. Applications for membership is at the discretion of the area,and as Simon said in his earlier post Associations want you to be active in there area.

For us the only speed events we run are at Curborough, so I can advise that we have now been accepted into membership of the Association of West Midlands Motor Clubs  which covers Curborough.

 

 

 

[Drumster]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the update