Apollo tank install dry sumped K-series

[rj]

How does the apollo kit for a dry sumped car differ from the wet sump version?

Anyone got pictures of the install?

(anthonym?)

[anthonym]

Sûre, when I get home later.. np

but meanwhile 

the two hoses go down by the oil filter, the breather goes... round the engine somewhere, maybe the dry sump tower.

those hoses go through the centre of the alternator belt

[Paul Mason]

Just for the purposes of my understanding, why would you need dry sump and Apollo. My understanding is the Apollo de-areates the oil but in myvdey sump set up (pace) the oils drops into the baffle in the oil tank and that does the same job? Apols if I'm being thick but curious

[StevehS3]

I don’t know RJ’s reason but it does increase the oil capacity by about 2.5L which must be good for maintaining the condition of the oil and its temperature.

[Wrightpayne]

The bell tank is a bit short on capacity. My mate has an R500 K with the apollo - its much smaller than the wet sump one, prob 1/2 the height - I’ll see if I can get some pics.

Ian

[Paul Mason]

Ah, that makes sense, I think my Pace tank is about 5 litres so never thought about capacity. Ta's for the update, every day is still a skool day

[rj]

 but it does increase the oil capacity by about 2.5L which must be good for maintaining the condition of the oil and its temperature.

Spot on!

I am to make up my mind whether I'll use the belltank or a Brise tank in front of the engine.

[7 wonders of the world]

Pace style tank in the short footwell equates to circa 7.5L total system capacity.

[rj]

For the neatness of the install I prefer not to have hoses from the drivers side to the passenger side.

[Paul Mason]

Mine definitely isn't neat RJ. 7 wonders, if total capacity is 7.5l......I've never properly drained and refilled then......may need to do some research on that

[7 wonders of the world]

you always get residual in the pace style tank below the pick up (unless it has a drain plug in the base), then there's the filter, galleries, oil that sits in the cam carrier, hoses, pumps, and sump trough - soon mounts up

[Paul Mason]

I'm just slightly concerned that whilst I'm putting c.5ltrs of new in, it's just going to be diluted by old, less effective oil. I've done a few times as it's a relatively cheap thing and never going to harm so none of the oil should really be more than about 4k old, but perhaps need to revise how fresh I think it is. Will look to see if I can find a drain plug (have syphoned it out thus far)

[7 wonders of the world]

Are you running the Pace tank..?

Are you using the stock CC DS set up or the Pace..?

My K was Pace throughout, and the beauty of that tank is the ability to strip it with a single allen key and clean it spotlessly, I used to pop the sacavange hose off the sump to fully drain that, pop the rocker cover off and syphon the oil from around the cams, and drain the hoses from the pump to tank, then flush the cams and sump pan with a litre of clean oil before refitting the hoses.

As you correctly say there is dilution otherwise, though bearing in mind we change our oil possibly more than out underwear all the above is probably a little OTT

[Paul Mason]

Definitely a pace tank and a pace sump, though never actually looked at the pump itself. To be honest never had the tank out, though from memory only a retrun pipe at the top, a breather at the top and a outward pipe at the bottom so should be relatively easy to undo and lift out (guessing the pipes have a replaceable o ring or similar under the connection)

[7 wonders of the world]

If your pump is driven by a small toothed belt from an additional crank pulley you have the Pace pump too, this can be 2 or 3 stage.

[Paul Mason]

Yes, indeed, that's exactly the one, looks to be attached to the front of the bottom pulley (though not sure what a 2 or 3 stage is??). Just looked at a photo and it's actually got and return at the front top of the tank and 2 breathers coming into the very top of the tank

[Paul Mason]

PS sorry RJ for the hijack

[mark_w]

Hi RJ

can take some pics for you tomorrow mine also got an oil cooler behind the rad

cheers Mark

[rj]

Yes please