Brake Pads For Uprated Front Callipper

[Fastinmydreams]

I'm trying to find the right pads for this caliper. (I have a 1997 Supersport and these were a later upgrade before I bought the car.). It bears the model number CP3876-115C, but I can't find it anywhere on line.  Having measured the existing pads, I found these that seem to match perfectly:

https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/mintex-m1144-brake-pads-minmdb1200m1144/

However they are listed for another caliper and on five or six weeks delivery.  The nearest Ferodo option FRP218 , which are in stock, have a slightly smaller depth (2-3 mm), so not sure if these would be OK.

If you can help me to identify the right pad, I'd be very grateful.

 

 

[EEK]

From the AP racing catalog for 2019 Caliper CP3876 shows as using pad style CP2399

[Fastinmydreams]

Many thanks for your research. However, the mystery only deepens.  The pads I have in at the moment have identical dimensions to those listed by Demon Tweeks at the link in my post, but they have no record of my calipers and think that they must have been made especially for Caterham.  Your catalogue specifies pads for my caliper number. but they are a totally different shape! A bit weird!

[EEK]

CP is a fairly common AP Products reference, found an online version of the document I have Pdf of, you can see reference to CP3876 just before halfway down in column 7 on this page

The Brake pad dimensions come from this page  

Make of it what you will.

[Fastinmydreams]

Thanks for your help.  CP2399 is the pad linked to this caliper in the document and the AP website confirms that the pad is as illustrated in your post.  Curiously, Though, the caliper number isn't recognised in a site search.  It's a mystery!  I think I'll go with the Mintex in spite of the delay.  

[Jochen]

I've noted the AP-CP 2340 D43 for the 1st and 2nd Version of the AP 4 piston calipers and U 1749-14 for the fitting Pagid RS14 pads. I have both versions of these calipers here. Tell me if you want to see details.

The 3rd version is the AP-CP 7600 D46 and the Pagid RS14 pads are U 4349-14

[Fastinmydreams]

Hi Jochen.  My caliper is the one pictured on the right.  This is the first time I have seen an image of it anywhere!  Having checked the UP1749 - 14 pad online, it exactly matches the dimensions of the pads currently fitted, so that's a big help.  The Mintex MDB1200 exactly matches these dimensions, so that looks like to way to go.

Many thanks!

[ECR]

The following are from my collected notes. This might help or it might confuse 

 

Identifying the Type of AP Calliper

If you have the single fixing bolt in the middle of the caliper you'll need cp2340. If you have the later type with two pins, one at either end of the caliper fixing through tabs on the pads you have the latest type.

There appear to have been 3 types of AP caliper fitted at the front. The second type was quite short lived. They are model CP5100 and they use Ferodo FRP219 pad pattern,

If you have the original early AP calipers you need  Ferodo FRP219H DS2500  After trying various pads this is the correct shape for full piston contact. Other shapes will fit but do not give 100% full piston contact on the pad! I run Mintex MDB1287-1144 on the rear.

Mintex 1144 Pads

Fronts 40.14 + VAT Rear 42.61 + Vat  (2007)

Part no’s:

Front  (AP 4 pot) MDB 1200 M1144 OR MDB1864

Apparently there are two pads that fit my front calipers. MDB1200 and MDB1864 which are the wide version of the MDB1200s

According to Blatchat The MDB1200 (CP2340 in AP pad shape) are the right ones for my callipers

I checked this 2014 and can confirm that MDB1200 in M1144 compound are correct for my front calipers (Mk1 Caterham/AP calipers)

 

These notes are partially  from Blatchat

 

[Fastinmydreams]

Hi ECR.  That confirms what I thought and I seem to have gone for the right pad in the MDB1200.  Mind you, they cost a bit more than in 2007 at £72 inc VAT.  And the Ferodo version were nearly double that!  I've also gone for MDB1287 on the rear and M1144 compound in both cases.  I have had to replace the rear discs and the big delay now is waiting on new disc and caliper bolts.  They're only mailing out on Thursdays and a week later, they haven't arrived.

 

[elie boone]

You could try to contact Red Dot and see if they have a suitable pad. http://www.reddotracing.co.uk/aboutus.asp

[C20 WUN]

If you have the single-pin, 4-pot caliper shown at the top of Jochen's post, the correct pad shape is as follows:

Mintex: MDB1864
PFC Brakes: 7745
Alcon: 4463 H-Type Caliper
Pagid Racing: E2127
Ferodo: FRP219
Hawk: HB192
Raybestos: DR804
AP Racing Pad: CP3345
SBS: 3059
Wilwood: 8716

It seems a lot of people fit the MDB1200 shape pads into these calipers, which as noted above do fit but don't cover the pistons properly. This is likely to lead to stuck pistons, and is not recommended by AP's technical people.