John Vine Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I'm about to fit a pair of these to my shiny, new rear wings. What are the best spots to place the rivets, and how many should I use?My plan is to have three rows of three - top, middle and bottom - spaced across the flat part of the guard. I don't plan to put any in the outer (curved) edge section. Will that be sufficient? Is there a better way?JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 I can look at it later and maybe send a photo. From memory, I think I have one on the top out curve, one on the inside flat bit (by your elbow) and one bottom outer. Youll probably find it will need a bit of fettling and might not fit to the outside curve perfectly. Ive also had to paint / black insulation tape to disguise the gap of the outside curves and my yellow arches. They dont fit perfectly, but look good with a little work. Id definately buy another pair, I just wish I had put Armourfend on them to help keep them looking nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 Thanks, TomB. My wings are black so that will help the match. Re Armourfend, I hadn't considered that, rather I'd thought the c/f guards might be durable enough not to need it. Is that not the case, in fact? The other thing I've just noticed is that the LH guard is cut to match the old-style wing (with the exhaust cut-out), whereas my new wing has a straight bottom edge. It seems I have two choices: either trim the guard to match the wing (how do you cut c/f?), or mount the guard lower down so that it covers the bottom area of the wing completely. The disadvantage here is that the guard will stick out at the outer edge by a few cm and be unsupported. Is that likely to be a problem?JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanium7 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 On my previous car I used black pop rivets into the original bottom row of holes from the previous stainless guards and then used a bead of clear silicone on to the rest and held with duck tape overnight until set. Worked a treat and could be removed or replaced with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 That's a neat idea, Martyn -- thanks. Of course, with new wings, I'm free to choose where to drill!JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanium7 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Why drill at all, wonderful stuff silicone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 Ah, I thought maybe a few rivets would be necessary for the sake of security (I wouldn't want the guards flying off at speed). But if silicone is all that's needed, better still!JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 Oh yes, I forgot to say that I used good automotive silicone with rivets to help with the curves. Sorry the pictures are wonky I couldnt work out how to rotate them, but you get the idea. I have a rivet by your shoulder and elbow, with another rivet outside top. You can probably see the fit around the edge where I painted a black strip to disguise the fit. On the LHS exhaust cut out I just left it exposed so the guards were not different heights. I found some wide fast rivets, I can't remember if Jon Vickers sent them with the guards. Re Armourfend, they seem tough enough, but being continually sand blasted, especially if you use sticky tyres, does take their toll, and mine are are a bit pitted. Still for the price and providing Jon continues to be able to supply them, I don't see a problem replacing them every few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJG Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I fitted mine about three years ago just using silicone, gently clamped overnight with some cardboard faced wooden strips and my old favourite gaffa tape along the edges. No sign of any problems with seperating to date.Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 ...good automotive silicone... What brand etc did you use? Or can I get away with the clear stuff from B&Q?JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanium7 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I used a better quality clear kitchen silicone from one of the DIY sheds. The trick is to dry cramp it first to ensure you can get the guard evenly down on the mudguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 No idea I'm Afraid, it was a few years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I've had these for years, think I'm on my third set.Mine have only ever been held on with four M5 dome head Allen bolts, with nyloc nuts on the inside. 2 towards the top, 2 towards the bottom. Very easy to replace, and look/fit perfectly fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 Thanks, chaps. Tomorrow is fitting day. I just need to decide between four simple pop-rivets, all silicone or a combination. I'll let you know how I get on.JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makingff Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 JohnHow did you get on in the end doing this? I picked up some Millwood ones yesterday to go over my bare carbon wings and would rather not do any drilling if at all possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 I've a confession to make. I haven't done the deed yet. I was about to, then something else came up (in a manner of speaking -- it was a blocked sewer, to be exact), and as I'm abroad at the moment it will have to wait until I get back. My plan is to use a black pop-rivet at each corner -- no silicone. My wings are (new) standard ones, so drilling holes is business as usual really. And, that way, getting the guards off again will be straightforward.JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 Well, I got around to fitting these today. In the end, I opted for 4mm black-top pop-rivets, one at each corner, and another mid-way along the top and bottom edges. Drilling was no problem at all, and the result looks just fine. My only problem was that the N/S guard was of the old design (with the exhaust "step"), but the new wing didn't have this step. So, the bottom edge of the guard didn't line up with the wing. In the end, I decided to fix the guard lower than usual so that the bottom of the wing was completely covered. It meant that the top edges are at different levels, but you have to look closely to spot this (the wings are black).JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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