auyt Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Apologies if I am rehashing this this thread for the umpteeth time. And my search of the threads didn’t find anything.it seem to be impossible to fill my 7 with spilling fuel. I can only do it very slowly even with the nozzle just over the edge of of the bend in the hose. I shortened the bottom part of the rubber joiner so the horizontal part is now with a slope away from the cap but that didn’t help much.Is there a mod/trick to resolve this or is it just something to live with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM25T Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Does your filler neck have the spring flap inside it ? If so ... is the nozzle going in far enough to open the flap ... it has to be in a fair way.Do you have the original filler with plastic metro style cap, or a retrofit aluminium aero style filler ?Some people carry a short length of flexible plastic tube from a fuel filler can to insert far enough to open the flap. Some have removed the flap ... with the filler neck off the car.Have you tried a different garage with alternative design nozzle spouts ?I have never had this problem with either style of neck/cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auyt Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 The filler is the early style, as you can see no restrictions and you can see the top of the tube from the tank.I have tried a few petrol stations with the same issue. I have reasurched how a bowser works and I may have hit on something, the nozzle air tube needs to be not sitting on the filler neck.https://www.brainstuffshow.com/videos/gas-nozzle-video.htmI may need to try putting it in upside down. But your suggestion of a filler novel are worth a thought thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM25T Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 I would try 45 or 90 degrees then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auyt Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 Tried those,but not 180, I wonder if the type of bowsers makes a different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM25T Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Oh well .... keep trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auyt Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 I am sure Im not the only person with this issue on early cars, so I will keep trying.I need to get some more fuel so I will take some measurements of the nozzle and see what I can come up with.Goal, keep the fuel going into the tanks and it not shutting the nozzle of until its full , seems simple enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elie boone Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Maybe a picture of the inside might help ? some filler hoses have a sharp 90degree turn and others have a more smooth curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrightpayne Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Hope that is a safety torch - you wouldnt want a spark from it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM25T Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 It might enlarge the fill aperture ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted April 19, 2019 Member Share Posted April 19, 2019 I am sure Im not the only person with this issue on early cars, so I will keep trying.You're certainly not.On my 1998 Seven I use a combination of not going all the way in, funny angles and a low flow rate. I'd guess that's the most common approach.The next step for me would be:... a short length of flexible plastic tube from a fuel filler can to insert far enough to open the flap. Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CageyH Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 It looks like there is a 90 degree junction between the pipes from the picture. The newer nozzle will not fit in. I would look at retrofitting a more modern filler tube (if it fits) to alleviate the problem. My 1997 car is a pain to fill, as it requires a funny angle and low fill rate. This is with the flap removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auyt Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 Im thinking as I don't have a flap that a plastic Jerry can flex filler may work, i have found the nozzle are 1" in diameter and getting it to work with the bowser shutoff is the issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECR Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 On my 1990 car I use a combination of not going all the way in, funny angles and a low flow rate just like Jonathan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJF Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1990 car here. Real pain whenever I have to refill. Sometimes it’s not too bad but am not sure what I have done differently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john g Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I fill my 95 car the way Jonathan and ECR describe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auyt Posted April 20, 2019 Author Share Posted April 20, 2019 I have found that 68 Mustangs have similar issues and I found this solution , which in effect is the unleaded filler restrictor. it at least reduces spillage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auyt Posted April 24, 2019 Author Share Posted April 24, 2019 I bought some fuel today for my mower and had a look at the bowser handle and this type seems to be common here and has the shut off vent in the actual end of the nozzel, so a minor splash back trips it off. I tied the restrictor just fill the can and its not much good either.Annoying problem back to head scratching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM25T Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 As suggested above .... with the long horizontal section inside the filler neck, you are on a loser with current design of fuel pump and nozzle. You should consider if you can replace the filler neck (and cap) to one with the bend immediately inside the fill cap. Can you post a photo of the fill neck inside the boot. Are you based in Australia ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooty Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 TADTS. Slow and steady wins the race! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Mason Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 With my first 7, a '96, I ended up buying a long flexible, plastic funnel and leaving it in the boot. Tried all sorts of ways and invariably ended up with the pump clicking countless times or fuel splashing on the back of the car or my shoes (making pedal control "interesting" at times) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auyt Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 Guys thanks for all you input I will try your suggestionsYes based in Australia, sadly the top of the tank attached pipe is about 1" below the bottom of the filler so I have the bend as tight as I can get with a downward slope in it to stop the fuel pouring backwards well sort offI studied the Bowser when I filled to ute ( it is also a pain but it has a long straight section) the one I used has the vacuum shutoff breather in the delivery pipe not outside or just back from the fuel out let. So the slightest bit of fuel even fill it slowly that spills or splashing back over the vacuum pipe shuts it off,Ill give the upside down method a go but im not confident. And the other thing I will try is a reducer in the filler to stop it running backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Piers300 Posted April 25, 2019 Area Representative Share Posted April 25, 2019 I had a 1985 Super Sprint for 25 years and it was a very slow filler. I tried all positions, but in the end just filled it slowly.Piers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elie boone Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 If u use this kind of flexible fuel filler hose you can avoid the sharp 90 degree bend, you can make a bigger radius that should flow better. https://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/ultra-flexible-fuel-filler-hose-51mm-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auyt Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 I have a feeling thats my plight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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