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K-series coolant leak puzzle


7_Malc

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So after a fabulous day blatting round Wiltshire, Oxfordshire, Berkshire and lots in between, I have arrived home to find my Roadsport 140 (supersport upgrade) dropping whats left of its coolant on the garage floor. The expansion bottle is empty. It ran great all day, not getting over 80*c and the fan kicking in as needed… now small puddles on the floor :(

I have had a look underneath with a torch and squeezed all the (still hot) hoses, but the big puzzle is everything looks dry and firmly attached. The only damp-looking areas are the down near the sump, above the oil pressure sender – the low 'v' shaped black line – and the distributor cap and HT Leads seem to have spray / condensation on them? No sign of any oil/water mix u​nder the oil filler cap. All clean.

The puddle locations suggested front of engine, and possibly radiator… I foolishly moved the car back to get a better look. Doh!

Pics for reference. 

So, do I refill and test for leaks in the garage, or is this a more serious issue that needs professional help before I risk running the engine again?    

many thanks, Malc

   

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Could be the classic header tank cap.  How long was there between stopping and noticing the leak.  Was it long enough for the coolant on the block to have evaporated off?

It's easy enough to make up a 'pressure test cap' from an old cap and a tyre valve.  Probably the most effective test you're likely to be able to carry out.

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I'd suggest making the leak tester and testing the rest of the system first.  If you slap a new pressure cap on it and it dumps its coolant without you noticing you could easily end up cooking the head.  Also worth checking for combustion gasses in the coolant.

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Thanks everyone, much appreciated. Condensation under to bonnet would account for the floor puddles 10mins after I parked up in the garage. I will attempt to construct a pressure test cap (I have an old cap) and hook up my foot pump (with gauge) to see if there are any leaks.

I have found this guide to a DIY pressure cap tester… 

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/home-made-cooling-system-pressure-tester-save-yourself-£70.111882/

but if anyone knows of a better one, please share it here.

Q: Should I test with the heater valve open or closed?

 

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Update: So I was about to refill the system to pressure test, when I noticed the heater hose was wet… (see photo) this is possible the leak. Having removed the hose, its actually two short hoses joined together. Is this standard, or should a replacement be single piece of hose from the heather to the engine block?

 

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Should this be a single hose?

 

… so I think this needs to be an upgrade to a Silicone Hose set… before I call Chris @Redline, are there any brands more suited to the stresses of K-series life, or is all silicone equal?  

Thanks for your continued assistance,

Malc

 

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I started reading at the top and was going to suggest a check of the hoses. http://www.sfsperformance.co.uk/ will sell you a complete set, you need to tell them you have a heater too. I had a pin hole leak years ago. It was quite surprising how much it could spray out, a quick one to diagnose in the garage when the coolant was up to temperature. I replaced the set to silicone ones by sfs. I think it was from a bulk buy here. Mine is in two. I can't remember if that was just how I made up mine, but I'm near certain that all I did was a straight swap.

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David from SFS has (personally) delivered my replacement hoses and clips on his way home this evening. Top bloke, and the shiny hoses look great. The fitting marathon starts on Friday, so any tips / advice for a complete novice would be welcome, thank you.   

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Glad you found it

 

Dave Gemzoe does a set with a bleed valve built in to make filling easy . Gemzoe Motorsport on FB.

 

When you go silicone make sure you rough up the radiator connections and metal heater connections. With some Emery cloth as they can leak

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So coolant has been replaced, and ready for warming / bleeding… can I get the rad screw/bolt undone. No. 

1. Does it unscrew to the left (standard direction)?

2. How much torque can I put on it? The rad seems to deform slightly under pressure from the ring spanner so I am loathe to bend it too much…

I have filled from the heater end, but usually bleed from the rad nut / expansion bottle. Is there a bleed method using the heater hoses instead? might be safer than ruining the radiator…

 

 

 

 

 

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Hmmmm. This is not going to plan.

The bleed screw / but on my radiator does not have any kind of washer. Now when I try and tighten it, the thread stops but the nut still rotates in the hole. I can wiggle it up and down. Not a good seal. 
Should there be a washer here? If so, what kind / material?

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