Violet Elizabeth Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 I know people have put these engines in other BEC's, but has anyone done it with a Caterham ? Seems like a great engine, the sidecar boys use them with good reliability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE GILBERT Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Awesome engine but I foresee packaging issues due to the 'on top of box' layout. Friend of mine built one into a Striker and it was a credit to him. It also made 150hp at the wheels! http://www.striker1.plus.com/ HTH Steve See My Caterham Fireblade Here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee_fin Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 R1 engine is a little taller than some, would be difficult to get it in to a Cat without either dropping it low (sump issues) or cutting the bonnet (ruining the classic Seven line). It's tilt angle is quite crucial (carbs/oil) meaning there is not a lot of leaway on this. If it would go in, it would be a seriously light Caterham though. Rich Miles' site there is pretty much the bible for new R1 builders these days, can't start surfing at a better place ________________________________________________________ graeme finlayson / tyre warmer / fluke motorsport graeme@fluke-motorsport.co.uk / www.fluke-motorsport.co.uk Edited by - gee_fin on 5 Mar 2004 10:40:05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Wilson Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 I've been thinking along the same lines, Noger. But as has already been mentioned, it'll probably require the air filter stick through the top of the bonnet. Not much of a problem really; my 1600GT already has a K&N poking through Peardrop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE GILBERT Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Dont forget the prop angles Loads of info at http://www.baileymorris.co.uk/ If it was me I'd go electric reverse also Good luck Steve See My Caterham Fireblade Here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Elizabeth Posted March 5, 2004 Author Share Posted March 5, 2004 Thanks Yes, looking at the engine in the Striker it did seem the the only way the air filter was going was up through the bonnet. Going to have to get my measuring tape out I think. Would be great if it did fit, with the change in regulations in the sidecars these engines are being used quite a lot, and seem to have quite a few parts available. Fairly cheap, no dry sump needed, decent power and not that much heavier than a 'blade engine. Hmmm, wonder if Arch would be able to modify the chassis ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee_fin Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 In car's it's been in to date (striker/westfield) the prop angles have been some of the best out there, nigh on straight-through. The sidecar guys have had a change in regs meaning that a lot of their sooped-up R1 engines are now up for sale for reasonable money (as they now have to go to standard ones). Although not likely to be appearing in breakers for some time (and probably not likely to be cheap) the specs on the new 2004 R1 are pretty serious, a possible Busa challenger... ________________________________________________________ graeme finlayson / tyre warmer / fluke motorsport graeme@fluke-motorsport.co.uk / www.fluke-motorsport.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_pank Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 "No dry sump needed" - what makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee_fin Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Engine doesn't need dry sumping. Been proven in sidecar racing for many years, those guys generate 2g+ which is more than you're ever going to get in a seven. All it needs is a cheap little baffle plate and then a few 100ml over-filling with oil. Rich has some oil pressure logs running on ACB10s to double check this. £80 for a baffle plate kinda beats £1,800 for a dry sump :) ________________________________________________________ graeme finlayson / tyre warmer / fluke motorsport graeme@fluke-motorsport.co.uk / www.fluke-motorsport.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Bill Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 edited so as not to look like a complete ass... 😬 BB Edited by - Badger Bill on 5 Mar 2004 11:39:54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_pank Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 OK sounds plausible, just wanted to make sure people weren't falling into the "doesn't have one in a bike - doesn't need one in a car" trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Elizabeth Posted March 5, 2004 Author Share Posted March 5, 2004 There was an interesting question on the BEC list a while back, "how can you tell if a particular bike engine needs dry sumping". The answer appeared to be "wait until a few start to go bang, then you need one". Also appears to be some small modification done to the oil pressure relief valve to help with getting the oil back to the sump. Nice "tulip" thing @ £10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth G-F Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Don't know about R1 engines in a Caterham but, I'm looking to buy a Hayabusa engine in a Caterham. Some pieces had to be custom built but in the end no trimming to the car was needed. The hayabusa engine/tranny being much lighter than a regular car, this particular SV body caterham weighs only 1070lbs. With the 185hp of the Busa engine it gives the car the same hp/ton ratio as a R400!!! I haven't driven it yet but it is very quick! The builder tested it on a track and did the 0-60mph in 3.25sec! Can't wait to test drive it! 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Bill Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 f *eek*k that is quick, in road trim? BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dino ferrana Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 I saw that on the site and the figures were authenticated by a division of the Canadian Mounted Police! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Bill Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 My, that is some horse power... Have a nice weekend! BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth G-F Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 If anybody is interested, you can watch one of those Hayabusa 7 here: http://homepage.mac.com/lotuslad/iMovieTheater11.html Click Seven in Chemainus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrino Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Do you guys think the Ital axle could handle something like the 150-160 BHP (or even as much as 172 BHP in Richard Miles' Striker) produced by the R1 + sticky tyres? Obviously, the overall weight of the car is down significantly, so we can't compare the stresses on the Ital in a BEC directly to the car-engined live-axled debates of old (XXX BHP will shag it). But do you reckon it would cope well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrelevant Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Has anyone done a De Dion BECat? Been looking for one but they all seem to be live axled Accumulating bits . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrino Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 Adam - the Blackbird Cats are DD methinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Elizabeth Posted August 15, 2004 Author Share Posted August 15, 2004 I think we figured out recently that the extra "bits" required in the DD set up were about 40kg over the weight of the LA. Which when you are trying to get down to the "magic" 400kg is is a fair chunk. 150-160 bhp would seem to be OK, given that is the usual standard Roger King Xflow upgrade territory ? 172 bhp on slicks or Avons though .... Would a bit of overfilling still do the job ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 They are certainly fine with ACB10s/A048s and a slight overfill on a wet sump, I'd be cautious on slicks but only because nobody has really tried it AFAIK, so would be venturing into unknown territory. To be fair though, if you were considering running a car engine on slicks you'd be almost certainly thinking of dry sumping too. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrelevant Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 IMO live makes more sense if you're not going to tune a bike engine. Once you do anything to a Busa or even an R1, you're really pushing the standard live setup and will need to beef it up - this is not cheap from what I understand - we're talking 1000's aren't we? Although, I must admit I haven't read up it it too much as I have a DD so it's irrelevant to me. Accumulating bits . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrino Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 After speaking to some people who have done the Ford axle conversion, it needn't cost too much (unless you're also going to buy an LSD, new disc brakes......). Also depends if you source and recondition the axle yourself, or just get it all sourced and prep'd for you. Another factor is the sale of the Ital axle - which are hard to find. Looks like Ford is the way to go for peace of mind on an R1 - less so for a Blade...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violet Elizabeth Posted August 15, 2004 Author Share Posted August 15, 2004 You are right about selling the Ital, I had someone putting a request in for mine when I just *mentioned* upgrading to an English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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